A typo; should be GUI. ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2023 10:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zOSMF
What’s CUI? A container platform? > On 28 May 2023, at 9:57 pm, W Mainframe > <000001304632a58d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Hi,Just some few words..:I hate zosmf and zowe... :)And yes... I have some > good applications running on CUI... No plans to migrate... :)Dan > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, May 28, 2023, 8:26 AM, Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > > The problem is not the D&D interface; the Devil is in the details. The real > issue is the design, and what IBM has chosen to hide, rather than CLI vs > panels vs GUI. > > It is perfectly possible to write a program with a scriptable GUI; anybody > remember SOM, DSOM and WPS. A GUI is a good servant but a poor master, and > even with a GUI it is easy to provide visibility to things that you have > automated. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > Jack Zukt [jzuk...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2023 5:31 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: zOSMF > > The real problem, as I see it, is that drag and drop interfaces move you > away from the need to know what you are doing. A long time ago, the first > MVS install that I did on my own, took me a few months to do it. I was > doing it under VM/XA and I did a few complete back to square one at the > time, as I was not pressed for time. At the time I had about two years of > MVS experience. I did read a lot of MVS and JES2 reading, you know, > installation guides, references, customization and such. When I finnaly > was satisfied with the system I knew a lot more than when I started. > The point that I am trying to make is that you may be able to do a z/OS > install using zosmf knowing next to nothing of z/OS, but with that > knowledge you will not be able to debug any kind of problem that you will > get in your way. > So, I suppose that the next step will be some kind of IA doing the install > and problem solving. > That makes me glad that I am not so far away from retirement. > Jack > >> On Wed, May 24, 2023, 21:21 Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: >> >> I enjoy learning new things, but I'd rather not replace good tools with >> bad just because the bad tools are in fashion. >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf >> of Harris Randy - Nashville <james.harr...@hcahealthcare.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2023 4:17 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: zOSMF >> >> I had a choice 30 years ago to go into the pc, server, network side of IT >> or go the mainframe direction. >> I chose the mainframe because I liked it better. >> I'm not a GUI fan. >> It's not Windows. >> I do have grey hair. >> I do understand the need to atract younger people to the mainframe. >> What I don't understand is why IBM would take away a working method >> (SERVERPAC) and force >> those of us with grey to learn something new when we well know how to use >> what we already have in place. >> And, a lot of us looking at retirement not toooo far away. >> >> Randy Harris >> P 615-344-3244 >> C 662-401-8552 >> james.harr...@hcahealthcare.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf >> Of Phil Smith III >> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2023 1:58 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: {EXTERNAL} Re: Re: zOSMF >> >> CAUTION! This email originated from outside of our organization. DO NOT >> CLICK links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know >> the content is safe. >> >> Beverly Caldwell wrote: >>> If zosmf is the answer what the hell was the question? >> >> I’m going to take that as a straight question. I assume the question was, >> “How do we make z/OS easier to install and maintain for folks who don’t >> have any grey hair yet?” >> >> This is essentially the same question that led to GUIs in general. The >> problem is that it’s not trivial to answer—putting some lipstick on the pig >> doesn’t always do it: sometimes you need to restructure the pig. >> <possibly insert “waste of time and it annoys the pig” joke> >> >> >> I’m reminded of the Windows version of the Relay/Gold terminal emulator, >> which was acquired by VM Systems Group when I was there. Under certain SDLC >> error conditions, it would drop out of the Windows UI into a DOS error >> dialog. Which was not really recoverable, since it needed someone to press >> a key. At one point a customer was considering buying a power strip that >> plugged into a phone line and could be called to cause it to power cycle, >> as they had an automated process that would be stopped when this error >> occurred. Talk about a Rube Goldberg solution! I’m sure the real fix was a >> single line of code somewhere, but finding that was non-trivial, of course. >> Especially since Relay/Gold was written in x86 assembler, a non-standard >> variant from a dead company. So there were no diagnostic tools to speak of. >> And as a tiny vendor, we didn’t have the hardware to even simulate the >> error…Good times. /s >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email >> to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
