Hello Viktor, First of all, I'd like to say that I come here in peace. I mean, I have NO intention at all to upset anyone. Lots of Harbour-project members are my friends. So, please, see my answers in this context. Thanks ;-)
> We sell xHarbour Language Reference Guide at a price of $48.00 ($59.00 with >> PDF). Total net sales for all xHarbour Language Reference Guide's combined >> over all years is USD $7,550.00. So, our total net loss on xHDN is >> $31,250.00 >> > > Documentation is available from homepage so it's a sales > helper, even the pure existence of a documentation is a > sales helper. Adding up income from selling doc isn't a > proper indicator here. I reckon you guys as being very well > established business persons, so I assume the investment > was well though out. Anyway, lets forget this point, as it > won't move us any closer to a resolutions. Ok. We shouldn't forget that lots of developers were and are >> working on Harbour for free, which again creates sales, >> income and profit for your company. >> Sorry, how do you connect Harbour to sales for xHarbour.com? >> > It has lots of parts and rooted from the same codebase, > which is years of work. I thought this is obvious. At least > for the compiler part, which is the base for the rest. Ok, now I see your point. off-course I agree that xHarbour was born from Harbour-project. Please don't forget that xHarbour is mainly a service business. We sell xHarbour and provide service for our users. We don't SELL original Harbour-project or xHarbour CODE, we make nice installers of them and provide service. Also, xHarbour.com has since its creation some 5 years ago, contributed back to [x]Harbour on a regular basis. Also, "for free", meaning no-one paid us for that work. This isn't appearing >> as a figure anywhere, but is probably a much higher amount >> than the cost of this documentation, even if you take >> a fraction of this figure, it's still a considerable >> contribution for the benefit (in actual $) of your company. >> Sorry, I don't agree. > > Very interesting POV. > So, just for me and other list members to understand it: > You question all the contributions non-xhb paid developers > were *ever* doing on Harbour and also xhb codebase? > IOW what you didn't pay for, just "got" there from the > thin air? Including the forked source code, recent patches, > and all contributions from free participants in between? Again, xHarbour.com has since its creation contributed back to [x]Harbour so much, even though it is STILL losing money. Its almost like you say you should ask all companies making money off of [x]Harbour to help pay? Now, I don't wanne start a political yes/no game here. I know what the investment on xharbour.com's part was in creating xHDN. I have no desire to "just" give it away. :) But I respect all of [x]Harbour's developers hard work! Just so you know :) > Also I just can guess, that you meant Harbour+xHarbour >> community, otherwise I even less understand the offer. >> >From you e-mail it wasn't clear that you want a joined >> doc effort afterwards, or just pass a copy to the free >> Harbour Project (and its free users) for that amount. >> I don't WANT or demand anything ;-) >> I just provide you with ideas and suggestions and if you guys like it and >> want to participate in it, you are welcome. But yes, I'd like this to be a >> joint Harbour/xHarbour venture. > > Thanks for clarifying, this is good and I agree. Ok. I still hold my opinion, that unless your business with >> the docs was a total loss, you should share your docs for >> free or some *much more realistic amount*, and we can >> continue to build it together for the benefit of all >> xHarbour and Harbour users. >> Sorry, Viktor, I don't understand that you can ask us to just "give away" >> an investment of + $38.000 with a loss of + $31.000. WHY should we do that? >> > Because this way it simply won't work in practice. Ron Pinkas also made massive contributions to [x]Harbour, but as a partner in xHarbour.com he ALSO pays for xHDN. What is the difference between him and you? I mean, on the subject of "I worked hard for Harbour, so I don't need to pay"? Again, I DO respect all your hard work. I just try to answer your questions. I've sent another mail just recently, please lets continue > on that ground if you agree. Yes, I see. I will reply on that one ASAP. Patrick
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