Hi Patrick,
To me it seems strange to push most of the costs of this
business investment to "Harbour community", considering that
it created sales, income and profit for your company
along the years. I don't know, just guess that it wasn't
a totally dead investment, which created a full $38800 loss
for you. I hope not.
We shouldn't forget that lots of developers were and are
working on Harbour for free, which again creates sales,
income and profit for your company. This isn't appearing
as a figure anywhere, but is probably a much higher amount
than the cost of this documentation, even if you take
a fraction of this figure, it's still a considerable
contribution for the benefit (in actual $) of your company.
Also I just can guess, that you meant Harbour+xHarbour
community, otherwise I even less understand the offer.
From you e-mail it wasn't clear that you want a joined
doc effort afterwards, or just pass a copy to the free
Harbour Project (and its free users) for that amount.
I still hold my opinion, that unless your business with
the docs was a total loss, you should share your docs for
free or some *much more realistic amount*, and we can
continue to build it together for the benefit of all
xHarbour and Harbour users.
This would be an important step.
Brgds,
Viktor
On 2009.06.24., at 19:32, Patrick Mast wrote:
Hello Viktor,
I was happy to see you jumping to the thread, but when I saw
the 80% figure and that it should be paid to xhb project, I got
a little bit surprised.
Oops, why is that? I mean, its the same a saying, "hey guys, we,
xHarbour.com will sponsor 20% of the cost for writing the docs". No?
I would think it would be much more fair for the authors and
for our users to compensate *Hannes* with this or the original
amount (which is only extra 20%) for a documentation specifically
crafted for Harbour.
I'm sorry I don't understand. What I wanted to says is exactly that.
Compensate 80% of what we paid Hannes to do the Job. There is no
financial gain here for xHarbour.com. In this construction,
xHarbour.com still pays 20% of the total amount, remember? ;-)
In case we'd be using this doc as a base,
we'd most probably need his help to make corrections and
additions anyway. For solely passing the doc rights to Harbour
community this figure is way too high.
I can't decide on that. I can just tell you guys what it the cost was
for US to write the docs.
So my personal opinion is that this construct in this way
is nothing more than getting (an IMO non-fair share amount
of) money by xhb from Harbour developers / users.
Sorry, I don't understand why you think this. Can you clarify?
Moreover we'd be paying for the "middleman", not the author,
which means this money would not be spend on any actual
documentation writing, just (almost fully) compensate for a
business investment.
Not correct. You guys compensate exact what we paid Hannes, that is,
80% of it in this proposal.
Probably a zero amount to share rights would be a generous
amount to offer for the whole xhb/Harbour community then
sharing extra expenses to get the documentation updated to
the development of latest years. This way it could be also
guaranteed that the docs would be usable for both products,
all differences documented properly.
Viktor, please, read this again. "zero amount to share rights" ;-)))
So, you ask us to GIVE away our investment to Harbour?? Remember we
invested +$38,000.00 USD in this documentation project.
My 2 cents.
Thank you for your personal view Victor ;-)
Patrick
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