Thanks for raising this, we are looking into the issue.

Greg D'Alesandre
Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:56 AM, mscwd01 <[email protected]> wrote:

> What do you mean by having "room"?
>
> The problem is if you only have enough traffic to have 1 instance
> running (say 20 QPS) and the issue occurs within that instance, EVERY
> request will fail. I guess if you were to increase your QPS so another
> instance fired up, that may serve requests fine (will have to test
> this assumption). However, the first instance which throws errors may
> stay up for days and any requests which are routed to it will result
> in an error.
>
> The problem isn't fixed.
>
> On Jul 5, 6:59 pm, "Brandon Wirtz" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Multi-thread/thread safe is working on my java app.
> >
> > I think you have to have "room" for it to do something.  Run your QPS up
> over 100 so that you can see it working.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of mscwd01
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:44 AM
> > To: Google App Engine
> > Subject: [google-appengine] Re: Updated App Engine Pricing FAQ!
> >
> > Re:http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=4834#c13
> >
> > I've been able to test this thoroughly now and can confirm the fix has
> NOT worked. The easiest way I have found to replicate the issue is to allow
> all instances of your app to stop and then begin making multiple requests a
> second. The issue occurs throwing a
> 'java.lang.UnsupportedOperationException'.
> >
> > This needs to be fixed before the new pricing starts, otherwise the
> thread-safe option for Java apps using JDO is USELESS.
> >
> > On Jul 1, 5:19 am, Tom Phillips <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Re:http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=4834#c13
> >
> > > FYI I don't think that fix works for JDO via jdoconfig.xml. I've added
> > > a comment after reverifying it just now.
> >
> > > I can easily reproduce it under load with or without the suggested
> > > settings.
> >
> > > On Jun 30, 2:06 am, "Ikai Lan (Google)" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > Oy, this is my fault for fanning the flames. I apologize for letting
> > > > this topic catch fire in the wrong places. Before we go into more
> name calling:
> > > > Vivek has been an App Engine developer for a while, almost from the
> > > > beginning, while Jeff maintains one of the most popular Java
> > > > libraries for GAE - Objectify - and trust me when I say that he
> > > > *does* know what he is talking about.
> >
> > > > My statement called into question the assertion that PHP was what
> > > > App Engine needed. While the long term,
> > > > we-could-do-this-if-we-had-infinite-resources
> > > > goal is certainly to support EVERY language conceivable to man on
> > > > App Engine, this is probably something that Google will not do in
> > > > the near term timeframe. More developers does not translate into a
> > > > sustainable pricing strategy. Believe it or not, not everything gets
> > > > cheaper just because you have more users. Some things actually get
> > > > more expensive. Official support for PHP is one of these things.
> >
> > > > App Engine was an internal tool before it was an external one. We
> > > > launched Python because we understand it. We launched Java because
> > > > we understand it, and there is a huge userbase. Some Java users
> > > > expected to be able to port their knowledge of Spring/JSF/Wicket/etc
> > > > immediately over to App Engine without having to learn anything new.
> > > > I think we set the expectations incorrectly here.
> >
> > > > The plan that is in place will be very close to what we launch with,
> > > > because when we looked at different pricing plans, our analysis of
> > > > previous usage trends and billing led us to believe that the one we
> > > > have announced was the most balanced in terms of being developer
> friendly as well as sustainable.
> > > > Unfortunately, we did understand that the changes would not work for
> > > > some people. The most constructive discussion we can have right now
> > > > is around how we can make this pricing work. What tools can we
> > > > provide? What data do we not display? How should support work? And
> > > > so forth. Throttler knobs, for instance, are an example of a feature
> > > > where much of the requirements were sourced from constructive user
> > > > feedback. Raising the priority of Python concurrency was another one.
> >
> > > > To answer the JDO question: have you tried comment #13? Seems to
> > > > resolve the
> > > > issue:http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=4834
> > > > #c13
> >
> > > > Ikai Lan
> > > > Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine
> > > > Blog:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com
> > > > Twitter:http://twitter.com/app_engine
> > > > Reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine
> >
> > > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:11 AM, Branko Vukelic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Jeff Schnitzer
> > > > > <[email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:14 AM, vivpuri <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > > > >> @Jeff i dont you have the development experience on AppEngine
> > > > > >> to even take part on this discussion. Before suggesting, first
> > > > > >> go an check what Quercus does and can enable you to do on
> AppEngine.
> >
> > > > > > This is the stupidest thing anyone has said to me in years.
> >
> > > > > And more to come if you keep replying to him. :)
> >
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> >
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