Oh I didn't mean to direct it to you. Inbox wouldn't let me edit the
recipient list without harming my phone...

You make good points though so I am glad I did! ☺️

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 17:34 Kiki Sugiaman <ksugia...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh, I agree. The aggressive/threatening email was an unwarranted,
> disproportioned response. I'm just trying to understand where the
> strawmans/tangents (or what I perceive as, willing to be corrected) are
> coming from. And I didn't list all.
>
> Surgical arguments > narratives.
>
>
> On 29/10/16 01:31, Henrik Johansson wrote:
> > The problem isn't the CoC or that the group it responded to a complaint
> > but that it right away started with a very aggressive warning email.
> >
> > Why not talk to Aram like human being explaining the situation. This
> > would have given him a chance to resolve it on his own.
> > Seems like a much simpler and more dignified way of fixing it than
> > escalating to an officially stamped letter.
> >
> > fre 28 okt. 2016 kl 15:41 skrev Kiki Sugiaman <ksugia...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:ksugia...@gmail.com>>:
> >
> >     I'm with you on pushing back. It keeps those in controlling positions
> >     from being too self-convenient in exercising said control.
> >
> >     However, it is only effective when the person doing that is reasoned
> and
> >     does not resort to tangents, strawmans, and overreaction.
> >
> >     - Why bring generics into this? We know that we don't have it
> because we
> >     can't come up with one (yet) that satisfies the competing
> constraints of
> >     the core team, and not because nobody in the community is capable of
> >     implementing _any_ kind of generics (which anyone is free to write).
> >
> >     - When has the CoC been enforced to curtail ideas/programs that some
> >     didn't like?
> >
> >
> >
> >     On 28/10/16 22:33, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) wrote:
> >     > On 10/27/2016 02:29 PM, Jordan Krage wrote:
> >     >> At the very least, this kind of CoC 'enforcement' should be
> entirely
> >     >> public and transparent.  How are others supposed to learn what is
> >     >> considered a violation, when violators are only contacted
> >     privately by
> >     >> email?
> >     >
> >     > The point of a CoC is to police people's thoughts and suppress
> those
> >     > thoughts when those thoughts are disapproved of by people who act
> as
> >     > authorities for said CoC.  So, if they do not like your ideas /
> >     programs
> >     > / leanings, it doesn't matter whether you /actually/ are toxic, the
> >     > self-appointed enforcers will still accuse you of being toxic, and
> >     > banish you anyway.
> >     >
> >     > This is how thought control is implemented nowadays.
> >     >
> >     > It's high time people realized this.  And high time good people
> >     started
> >     > pushing back.
> >     >
> >
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