Oh, I agree. The aggressive/threatening email was an unwarranted,
disproportioned response. I'm just trying to understand where the
strawmans/tangents (or what I perceive as, willing to be corrected) are
coming from. And I didn't list all.
Surgical arguments > narratives.
On 29/10/16 01:31, Henrik Johansson wrote:
The problem isn't the CoC or that the group it responded to a complaint
but that it right away started with a very aggressive warning email.
Why not talk to Aram like human being explaining the situation. This
would have given him a chance to resolve it on his own.
Seems like a much simpler and more dignified way of fixing it than
escalating to an officially stamped letter.
fre 28 okt. 2016 kl 15:41 skrev Kiki Sugiaman <ksugia...@gmail.com
<mailto:ksugia...@gmail.com>>:
I'm with you on pushing back. It keeps those in controlling positions
from being too self-convenient in exercising said control.
However, it is only effective when the person doing that is reasoned and
does not resort to tangents, strawmans, and overreaction.
- Why bring generics into this? We know that we don't have it because we
can't come up with one (yet) that satisfies the competing constraints of
the core team, and not because nobody in the community is capable of
implementing _any_ kind of generics (which anyone is free to write).
- When has the CoC been enforced to curtail ideas/programs that some
didn't like?
On 28/10/16 22:33, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) wrote:
> On 10/27/2016 02:29 PM, Jordan Krage wrote:
>> At the very least, this kind of CoC 'enforcement' should be entirely
>> public and transparent. How are others supposed to learn what is
>> considered a violation, when violators are only contacted
privately by
>> email?
>
> The point of a CoC is to police people's thoughts and suppress those
> thoughts when those thoughts are disapproved of by people who act as
> authorities for said CoC. So, if they do not like your ideas /
programs
> / leanings, it doesn't matter whether you /actually/ are toxic, the
> self-appointed enforcers will still accuse you of being toxic, and
> banish you anyway.
>
> This is how thought control is implemented nowadays.
>
> It's high time people realized this. And high time good people
started
> pushing back.
>
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