> On Mar 6, 2025, at 9:20 AM, Niall Pemberton <niall.pember...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 at 14:53, PJ Fanning <fannin...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Seems best to allow the discussion thread to proceed and if things seem
>> ok, then start the name approval step. The vote only happens after the name
>> is approved by Brand Management.
>
>
> Does it have to be strict in where it takes place in the process? The main
> issue AIUI, is leaving the name search until close to graduation - throwing
> away possibly years of building their “brand”. ASAP at the start of
> incubation would avoid that issue - but is it a big deal whether it’s just
> before being accepted or very soon after?
Yes, this has proven to be a serious and expensive issue for a podling recently
- in this case Apache Fury was denied.
And for another (Apache Hunter now Otava) it is a slow problem as changing
resources for Infra is not automatic and we get into a series of back and forth
to test that every resource has been properly adjusted.
It really is a problem. I think that it is now important enough that the
Champion should be responsible for this. If a prospective project really loves
their name and yet they cannot use it at the ASF then it’s only fair to have
that happen before spending years in the Incubator.
The old policy wasn’t so bad 15 years ago when Incubation time was shorter and
resources were less.
Best,
Dave
>
> Niall
>
>
> On 2025/03/06 14:45:45 Calvin Kirs wrote:
>>> If the Brand team has no objections, then I’m absolutely +1.
>>>
>>> But procedurally, should this happen after the discussion and before the
>>> vote?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2025 at 10:32 PM PJ Fanning <fannin...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> This has been discussed on the private mailing list and ASF members
>>>> can view the main discussion here [1].
>>>>
>>>> Mark Thomas, VP of Brand Management, has suggested a willingness to do
>>>> the Podling Name Search at the start of the onboarding process.
>>>>
>>>> Can I suggest that we trial out having the Champions for new podlings
>>>> submit the Podling Name approval application before we commence the
>>>> vote for new podlings?
>>>>
>>>> The main advantage of the early name check is that it is less
>>>> disruptive for podling name changes when the podling resources have
>>>> not yet been set up and announcements and PR has not yet been done.
>>>>
>>>> We have a few applications in the early stages. We can try the process
>>>> change out for a few months and discuss making it a permanent change
>>>> to the process at that point?
>>>>
>>>> Discussion is welcome but let's not discuss specific cases on this
>> public
>>>> forum.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> PJ
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/y94f70sfzf2d959k6kl1bkbhmkklk260
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>>>
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>>> Best wishes！
>>> CalvinKirs
>>>
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