I think, it makes total sense to do the name search after approval but before onboarding, provided the name search can be done quickly (1-2 weeks max? I'm not sure).
Perhaps a separate topic, it would be beneficial to conduct a survey to assess the current onboarding process and identify any areas for improvement. This could involve implementing a progress bar to visually indicate the poddling’s progress through the process and highlight any challenges they encounter in specific phases. Best, Kranti > On Mar 6, 2025, at 10:08 AM, Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> On Mar 6, 2025, at 9:20 AM, Niall Pemberton <niall.pember...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 at 14:53, PJ Fanning <fannin...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>> Seems best to allow the discussion thread to proceed and if things seem >>> ok, then start the name approval step. The vote only happens after the name >>> is approved by Brand Management. >> >> >> Does it have to be strict in where it takes place in the process? The main >> issue AIUI, is leaving the name search until close to graduation - throwing >> away possibly years of building their “brand”. ASAP at the start of >> incubation would avoid that issue - but is it a big deal whether it’s just >> before being accepted or very soon after? > > Yes, this has proven to be a serious and expensive issue for a podling > recently - in this case Apache Fury was denied. > > And for another (Apache Hunter now Otava) it is a slow problem as changing > resources for Infra is not automatic and we get into a series of back and > forth to test that every resource has been properly adjusted. > > It really is a problem. I think that it is now important enough that the > Champion should be responsible for this. If a prospective project really > loves their name and yet they cannot use it at the ASF then it’s only fair to > have that happen before spending years in the Incubator. > > The old policy wasn’t so bad 15 years ago when Incubation time was shorter > and resources were less. > > Best, > Dave > > >> >> Niall >> >> >> On 2025/03/06 14:45:45 Calvin Kirs wrote: >>>> If the Brand team has no objections, then I’m absolutely +1. >>>> >>>> But procedurally, should this happen after the discussion and before the >>>> vote? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2025 at 10:32 PM PJ Fanning <fannin...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> This has been discussed on the private mailing list and ASF members >>>>> can view the main discussion here [1]. >>>>> >>>>> Mark Thomas, VP of Brand Management, has suggested a willingness to do >>>>> the Podling Name Search at the start of the onboarding process. >>>>> >>>>> Can I suggest that we trial out having the Champions for new podlings >>>>> submit the Podling Name approval application before we commence the >>>>> vote for new podlings? >>>>> >>>>> The main advantage of the early name check is that it is less >>>>> disruptive for podling name changes when the podling resources have >>>>> not yet been set up and announcements and PR has not yet been done. >>>>> >>>>> We have a few applications in the early stages. We can try the process >>>>> change out for a few months and discuss making it a permanent change >>>>> to the process at that point? >>>>> >>>>> Discussion is welcome but let's not discuss specific cases on this >>> public >>>>> forum. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> PJ >>>>> >>>>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/y94f70sfzf2d959k6kl1bkbhmkklk260 >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best wishes！ >>>> CalvinKirs >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >>> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
