2011/11/17 Karl Pauls <karlpa...@gmail.com>: > Again, I'm not against doing things differently for future release > (and the reason this release looks like it does is because that is > configured like this in the apache-parent iirc). However, I'm still > confused what all of this has to do with the graduation proposal vote > and why this has to be on general@. > > The release vote has passed a while ago and I don't see that the > release is invalid because we don't use a certain svn layout or maven > config. The source is in dist and the tags are in svn. I suggest we > move discussion about future release layouts to the ace-dev list and > into a separate thread unless you disagree. >
Exactly and I fail to see what this all has to do with the graduation vote. Carsten > regards, > > Karl > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:09 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 17 November 2011 14:07, Karl Pauls <karlpa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> $ mkdir org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator >>> $ cd org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator/ >>> $ wget >>> http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ace/org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-source.jar >> >> s/source/sources/ >> >>> $ jar -xf org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-sources.jar >>> $ wget >>> http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ace/org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator.pom >>> $ mv org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator.pom pom.xml >>> $ mvn clean install >> >> ========================= >> >> Not exactly trivial compared with >> >> $ svn co >> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/releases/org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator >> -- or -- >> $ unzip org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-source.zip >> (if it existed) >> and then >> $ cd org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator >> $ mvn clean install >> >> There's another (bigger) problem with the existing -sources.jar files. >> They don't contain any unit tests, as far as I can tell, yet there are >> some unit tests in SVN. >> >> Surely the unit tests should be distributed as part of the source release? >> >> == >> >> This is quite easy to fix, just (vote on and) release zip/tar.gz >> archives of the tags for each component. >> I would drop the -sources.jar files from /dist as they aren't all that >> useful for non-Maven downloads. >> >> == >> >> To make it easier to navigate the dist/ directory, may I suggest >> creating binaries/ and source/ folders? >> The source/ folder would contain all the current source zips/tgz archives >> The binaries folders would contain binary jars and javadoc jars >> The *.pom files would be removed, as the pom.xml files would be in the >> appropriate source/ archive. >> >> >>> regards, >>> >>> Karl >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:54 PM, ant elder <ant.el...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> To try that I just went to the ACE downloads page which has a bunch of >>>> jars and source jars to download, i downloaded the source of the first >>>> one, org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-sources.jar, and >>>> looking inside there is the source to some Java classes but no build >>>> scripts or pom.xml file, so how would I go about building this? >>>> >>>> ...ant >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Karl Pauls <karlpa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Again, we had this discussion before namely, when the actual release >>>>> vote happened. I'm still confused why we have to go through this >>>>> again. You should be able to build all of the components by using the >>>>> -source.jar's that are provided. They contain what is necessary i.e., >>>>> the full source. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> >>>>> Karl >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:30 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 17 November 2011 12:29, Karl Pauls <karlpa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> I'm not sure what this has to do with the graduation vote. The release >>>>>>> as such has been accepted by the incubator pmc and there only need to >>>>>>> be one release. The source for each artifact is there, it is just per >>>>>>> artifact in the -source.jar. >>>>>> >>>>>> AFAICT the full source (as in SVN trunk) is not actually present in >>>>>> the distribution directory. >>>>>> >>>>>> For example, where are the top-level files in SVN (BUILDING, README) ? >>>>>> And the etc/ directory? >>>>>> >>>>>> If I wanted to build any or all of the components, there does not >>>>>> appear to be a way to do this from the files in the distribution. >>>>>> >>>>>>> There might be different set-up then a lot of other projects have it >>>>>>> but we release our stuff on a per artifact basis how it is done by for >>>>>>> example Apache Felix as well and never has been an issue (and didn't >>>>>>> become unmanageably either - also ymmv). >>>>>> >>>>>> The ASF primarily releases source; releases must include full source. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree about the KEYS file. We should have uploaded it to the dist >>>>>>> dir as well but at least we have it at some place so it should be easy >>>>>>> to fix. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Karl >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:07 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 17 November 2011 10:42, Marcel Offermans >>>>>>>> <marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl> wrote: >>>>>>>>> In my opinion, ACE is ready to begin the process of graduating from >>>>>>>>> the Apache Incubator to a Top Level Project. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since joining the incubator in in May 2009 we've added 4 new >>>>>>>>> committers (12 in total now) from diverse organizations and did a >>>>>>>>> release in May this year to demonstrate we follow the Apache >>>>>>>>> guidelines. We've shown an ability to self-govern using accepted >>>>>>>>> Apache practices and ACE continues to attract new contributors and >>>>>>>>> users. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The first step is to vote as a community, demonstrating that ACE is >>>>>>>>> ready and willing to graduate. Once this vote is succesful we create >>>>>>>>> a board resolution proposal or Charter and start a vote on the >>>>>>>>> general incubator list. The full process is described at >>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The vote is open for at least 72 hours. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The last (and only) release was 0.8, as far as I can tell. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is no KEYS file in http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ace/, >>>>>>>> and there does not appear to be a full source archive of the project >>>>>>>> anywhere. >>>>>>>> The download page does not have a link to any source archives as far >>>>>>>> as I can tell. >>>>>>>> It does link to KEYS in SVN, but almost all other ASF projects have a >>>>>>>> copy of KEYS in the appropriate /dist directory. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Normally releases are divided into binaries/ and source/ directories, >>>>>>>> with a KEYS file in the top-level, i.e. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> /dist/incubator/ace >>>>>>>> - KEYS >>>>>>>> - binaries/ace ....zip >>>>>>>> - sources/ace....zip >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most of the files in the /dist/incubator/ace directory appear to be >>>>>>>> Maven artifacts; normally these are not stored in /dist but only in >>>>>>>> the Maven repo. >>>>>>>> Indeed most of the files are also in Maven Central. The only non-Maven >>>>>>>> files appear to be >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.target.devgateway-0.8.0-incubator-distribution.zip >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.target.devserver-0.8.0-incubator-distribution.zip >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> neither of which contains the source. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would expect the above zips to be in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> /dist/incubator/ace/binaries >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> with corresponding source files in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> /dist/incubator/ace/source >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The SVN layout [1] is also a bit unusual. >>>>>>>> There is no tags/ directory for release tags, although there is a >>>>>>>> releases/ directory containing individual entries for each release for >>>>>>>> each component. >>>>>>>> This is likely to become unmanageable very quickly, if every release >>>>>>>> adds another 63 directory entries under releases/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Karl Pauls >>>>>>> karlpa...@gmail.com >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/karlpauls >>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls >>>>>>> https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Karl Pauls >>>>> karlpa...@gmail.com >>>>> http://twitter.com/karlpauls >>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls >>>>> https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Karl Pauls >>> karlpa...@gmail.com >>> http://twitter.com/karlpauls >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls >>> https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> > > > > -- > Karl Pauls > karlpa...@gmail.com > http://twitter.com/karlpauls > http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls > https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Carsten Ziegeler cziege...@apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
