Again, I'm not against doing things differently for future release (and the reason this release looks like it does is because that is configured like this in the apache-parent iirc). However, I'm still confused what all of this has to do with the graduation proposal vote and why this has to be on general@.
The release vote has passed a while ago and I don't see that the release is invalid because we don't use a certain svn layout or maven config. The source is in dist and the tags are in svn. I suggest we move discussion about future release layouts to the ace-dev list and into a separate thread unless you disagree. regards, Karl On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:09 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 17 November 2011 14:07, Karl Pauls <karlpa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> $ mkdir org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator >> $ cd org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator/ >> $ wget >> http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ace/org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-source.jar > > s/source/sources/ > >> $ jar -xf org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-sources.jar >> $ wget >> http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ace/org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator.pom >> $ mv org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator.pom pom.xml >> $ mvn clean install > > ========================= > > Not exactly trivial compared with > > $ svn co > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/releases/org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator > -- or -- > $ unzip org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-source.zip > (if it existed) > and then > $ cd org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator > $ mvn clean install > > There's another (bigger) problem with the existing -sources.jar files. > They don't contain any unit tests, as far as I can tell, yet there are > some unit tests in SVN. > > Surely the unit tests should be distributed as part of the source release? > > == > > This is quite easy to fix, just (vote on and) release zip/tar.gz > archives of the tags for each component. > I would drop the -sources.jar files from /dist as they aren't all that > useful for non-Maven downloads. > > == > > To make it easier to navigate the dist/ directory, may I suggest > creating binaries/ and source/ folders? > The source/ folder would contain all the current source zips/tgz archives > The binaries folders would contain binary jars and javadoc jars > The *.pom files would be removed, as the pom.xml files would be in the > appropriate source/ archive. > > >> regards, >> >> Karl >> >> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:54 PM, ant elder <ant.el...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> To try that I just went to the ACE downloads page which has a bunch of >>> jars and source jars to download, i downloaded the source of the first >>> one, org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-sources.jar, and >>> looking inside there is the source to some Java classes but no build >>> scripts or pom.xml file, so how would I go about building this? >>> >>> ...ant >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Karl Pauls <karlpa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Again, we had this discussion before namely, when the actual release >>>> vote happened. I'm still confused why we have to go through this >>>> again. You should be able to build all of the components by using the >>>> -source.jar's that are provided. They contain what is necessary i.e., >>>> the full source. >>>> >>>> regards, >>>> >>>> Karl >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:30 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On 17 November 2011 12:29, Karl Pauls <karlpa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> I'm not sure what this has to do with the graduation vote. The release >>>>>> as such has been accepted by the incubator pmc and there only need to >>>>>> be one release. The source for each artifact is there, it is just per >>>>>> artifact in the -source.jar. >>>>> >>>>> AFAICT the full source (as in SVN trunk) is not actually present in >>>>> the distribution directory. >>>>> >>>>> For example, where are the top-level files in SVN (BUILDING, README) ? >>>>> And the etc/ directory? >>>>> >>>>> If I wanted to build any or all of the components, there does not >>>>> appear to be a way to do this from the files in the distribution. >>>>> >>>>>> There might be different set-up then a lot of other projects have it >>>>>> but we release our stuff on a per artifact basis how it is done by for >>>>>> example Apache Felix as well and never has been an issue (and didn't >>>>>> become unmanageably either - also ymmv). >>>>> >>>>> The ASF primarily releases source; releases must include full source. >>>>> >>>>>> I agree about the KEYS file. We should have uploaded it to the dist >>>>>> dir as well but at least we have it at some place so it should be easy >>>>>> to fix. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Karl >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:07 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On 17 November 2011 10:42, Marcel Offermans >>>>>>> <marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl> wrote: >>>>>>>> In my opinion, ACE is ready to begin the process of graduating from >>>>>>>> the Apache Incubator to a Top Level Project. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since joining the incubator in in May 2009 we've added 4 new >>>>>>>> committers (12 in total now) from diverse organizations and did a >>>>>>>> release in May this year to demonstrate we follow the Apache >>>>>>>> guidelines. We've shown an ability to self-govern using accepted >>>>>>>> Apache practices and ACE continues to attract new contributors and >>>>>>>> users. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The first step is to vote as a community, demonstrating that ACE is >>>>>>>> ready and willing to graduate. Once this vote is succesful we create a >>>>>>>> board resolution proposal or Charter and start a vote on the general >>>>>>>> incubator list. The full process is described at >>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The vote is open for at least 72 hours. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The last (and only) release was 0.8, as far as I can tell. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is no KEYS file in http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ace/, >>>>>>> and there does not appear to be a full source archive of the project >>>>>>> anywhere. >>>>>>> The download page does not have a link to any source archives as far >>>>>>> as I can tell. >>>>>>> It does link to KEYS in SVN, but almost all other ASF projects have a >>>>>>> copy of KEYS in the appropriate /dist directory. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Normally releases are divided into binaries/ and source/ directories, >>>>>>> with a KEYS file in the top-level, i.e. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /dist/incubator/ace >>>>>>> - KEYS >>>>>>> - binaries/ace ....zip >>>>>>> - sources/ace....zip >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most of the files in the /dist/incubator/ace directory appear to be >>>>>>> Maven artifacts; normally these are not stored in /dist but only in >>>>>>> the Maven repo. >>>>>>> Indeed most of the files are also in Maven Central. The only non-Maven >>>>>>> files appear to be >>>>>>> >>>>>>> org.apache.ace.target.devgateway-0.8.0-incubator-distribution.zip >>>>>>> org.apache.ace.target.devserver-0.8.0-incubator-distribution.zip >>>>>>> >>>>>>> neither of which contains the source. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would expect the above zips to be in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /dist/incubator/ace/binaries >>>>>>> >>>>>>> with corresponding source files in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /dist/incubator/ace/source >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The SVN layout [1] is also a bit unusual. >>>>>>> There is no tags/ directory for release tags, although there is a >>>>>>> releases/ directory containing individual entries for each release for >>>>>>> each component. >>>>>>> This is likely to become unmanageable very quickly, if every release >>>>>>> adds another 63 directory entries under releases/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Karl Pauls >>>>>> karlpa...@gmail.com >>>>>> http://twitter.com/karlpauls >>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls >>>>>> https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Karl Pauls >>>> karlpa...@gmail.com >>>> http://twitter.com/karlpauls >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls >>>> https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Karl Pauls >> karlpa...@gmail.com >> http://twitter.com/karlpauls >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls >> https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com http://twitter.com/karlpauls http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
