JB, please, lets move this to the ace-dev list.
regards, Karl On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> wrote: > Hi Karl, > > we can simply need to revert the changes just before the 0.8.0-incubator > release. > When upgrading the ACE build to use Maven, firstly, we used the tags scm > with Maven sub-modules. > So I'm quite sure that reverting just before the 0.8.0-incubator, I can > prepare that for the next ACE release. > > Regards > JB > > On 11/17/2011 04:14 PM, Karl Pauls wrote: >> >> Again, I'm not against doing things differently for future release >> (and the reason this release looks like it does is because that is >> configured like this in the apache-parent iirc). However, I'm still >> confused what all of this has to do with the graduation proposal vote >> and why this has to be on general@. >> >> The release vote has passed a while ago and I don't see that the >> release is invalid because we don't use a certain svn layout or maven >> config. The source is in dist and the tags are in svn. I suggest we >> move discussion about future release layouts to the ace-dev list and >> into a separate thread unless you disagree. >> >> regards, >> >> Karl >> >> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:09 PM, sebb<seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On 17 November 2011 14:07, Karl Pauls<karlpa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> $ mkdir org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator >>>> $ cd org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator/ >>>> $ wget >>>> http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ace/org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-source.jar >>> >>> s/source/sources/ >>> >>>> $ jar -xf org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-sources.jar >>>> $ wget >>>> http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ace/org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator.pom >>>> $ mv org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator.pom pom.xml >>>> $ mvn clean install >>> >>> ========================= >>> >>> Not exactly trivial compared with >>> >>> $ svn co >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/releases/org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator >>> -- or -- >>> $ unzip org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-source.zip >>> (if it existed) >>> and then >>> $ cd org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator >>> $ mvn clean install >>> >>> There's another (bigger) problem with the existing -sources.jar files. >>> They don't contain any unit tests, as far as I can tell, yet there are >>> some unit tests in SVN. >>> >>> Surely the unit tests should be distributed as part of the source >>> release? >>> >>> == >>> >>> This is quite easy to fix, just (vote on and) release zip/tar.gz >>> archives of the tags for each component. >>> I would drop the -sources.jar files from /dist as they aren't all that >>> useful for non-Maven downloads. >>> >>> == >>> >>> To make it easier to navigate the dist/ directory, may I suggest >>> creating binaries/ and source/ folders? >>> The source/ folder would contain all the current source zips/tgz archives >>> The binaries folders would contain binary jars and javadoc jars >>> The *.pom files would be removed, as the pom.xml files would be in the >>> appropriate source/ archive. >>> >>> >>>> regards, >>>> >>>> Karl >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:54 PM, ant elder<ant.el...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> To try that I just went to the ACE downloads page which has a bunch of >>>>> jars and source jars to download, i downloaded the source of the first >>>>> one, org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-sources.jar, and >>>>> looking inside there is the source to some Java classes but no build >>>>> scripts or pom.xml file, so how would I go about building this? >>>>> >>>>> ...ant >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Karl Pauls<karlpa...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Again, we had this discussion before namely, when the actual release >>>>>> vote happened. I'm still confused why we have to go through this >>>>>> again. You should be able to build all of the components by using the >>>>>> -source.jar's that are provided. They contain what is necessary i.e., >>>>>> the full source. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Karl >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:30 PM, sebb<seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 17 November 2011 12:29, Karl Pauls<karlpa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not sure what this has to do with the graduation vote. The >>>>>>>> release >>>>>>>> as such has been accepted by the incubator pmc and there only need >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> be one release. The source for each artifact is there, it is just >>>>>>>> per >>>>>>>> artifact in the -source.jar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> AFAICT the full source (as in SVN trunk) is not actually present in >>>>>>> the distribution directory. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For example, where are the top-level files in SVN (BUILDING, README) >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> And the etc/ directory? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I wanted to build any or all of the components, there does not >>>>>>> appear to be a way to do this from the files in the distribution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There might be different set-up then a lot of other projects have it >>>>>>>> but we release our stuff on a per artifact basis how it is done by >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> example Apache Felix as well and never has been an issue (and didn't >>>>>>>> become unmanageably either - also ymmv). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The ASF primarily releases source; releases must include full source. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree about the KEYS file. We should have uploaded it to the dist >>>>>>>> dir as well but at least we have it at some place so it should be >>>>>>>> easy >>>>>>>> to fix. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Karl >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:07 PM, sebb<seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 17 November 2011 10:42, Marcel >>>>>>>>> Offermans<marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, ACE is ready to begin the process of graduating >>>>>>>>>> from the Apache Incubator to a Top Level Project. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Since joining the incubator in in May 2009 we've added 4 new >>>>>>>>>> committers (12 in total now) from diverse organizations and did a >>>>>>>>>> release in >>>>>>>>>> May this year to demonstrate we follow the Apache guidelines. We've >>>>>>>>>> shown an >>>>>>>>>> ability to self-govern using accepted Apache practices and ACE >>>>>>>>>> continues to >>>>>>>>>> attract new contributors and users. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The first step is to vote as a community, demonstrating that ACE >>>>>>>>>> is ready and willing to graduate. Once this vote is succesful we >>>>>>>>>> create a >>>>>>>>>> board resolution proposal or Charter and start a vote on the general >>>>>>>>>> incubator list. The full process is described at >>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The vote is open for at least 72 hours. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The last (and only) release was 0.8, as far as I can tell. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is no KEYS file in http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ace/, >>>>>>>>> and there does not appear to be a full source archive of the >>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>> anywhere. >>>>>>>>> The download page does not have a link to any source archives as >>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>> as I can tell. >>>>>>>>> It does link to KEYS in SVN, but almost all other ASF projects have >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> copy of KEYS in the appropriate /dist directory. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Normally releases are divided into binaries/ and source/ >>>>>>>>> directories, >>>>>>>>> with a KEYS file in the top-level, i.e. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> /dist/incubator/ace >>>>>>>>> - KEYS >>>>>>>>> - binaries/ace ....zip >>>>>>>>> - sources/ace....zip >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Most of the files in the /dist/incubator/ace directory appear to be >>>>>>>>> Maven artifacts; normally these are not stored in /dist but only in >>>>>>>>> the Maven repo. >>>>>>>>> Indeed most of the files are also in Maven Central. The only >>>>>>>>> non-Maven >>>>>>>>> files appear to be >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.target.devgateway-0.8.0-incubator-distribution.zip >>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.target.devserver-0.8.0-incubator-distribution.zip >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> neither of which contains the source. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would expect the above zips to be in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> /dist/incubator/ace/binaries >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> with corresponding source files in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> /dist/incubator/ace/source >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The SVN layout [1] is also a bit unusual. >>>>>>>>> There is no tags/ directory for release tags, although there is a >>>>>>>>> releases/ directory containing individual entries for each release >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> each component. >>>>>>>>> This is likely to become unmanageable very quickly, if every >>>>>>>>> release >>>>>>>>> adds another 63 directory entries under releases/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Karl Pauls >>>>>>>> karlpa...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/karlpauls >>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls >>>>>>>> https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Karl Pauls >>>>>> karlpa...@gmail.com >>>>>> http://twitter.com/karlpauls >>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls >>>>>> https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Karl Pauls >>>> karlpa...@gmail.com >>>> http://twitter.com/karlpauls >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls >>>> https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >>> >> >> >> > > -- > Jean-Baptiste Onofré > jbono...@apache.org > http://blog.nanthrax.net > Talend - http://www.talend.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com http://twitter.com/karlpauls http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
