Hi James,
Le 3 juin 11 à 05:07, James Kosin a écrit :
On 2:59 PM, Luke Kowalski wrote:
The following project is being sent in as an incubator candidate.
regards
luke
Okay,
First, I've been reading the talking points going back and forth on
this for about 1-2 days now. And there are some valid concerns.
(1) The project as a whole is LARGE. Some may even call it HUGE.
Indeed, it is :-)
Despite those complaints, I don't believe there is a size limit on
the size of a project; however, it brings up LOTS of questions on
Why? How?
and Who is to blame?
Basically, are the developers able to support the project entirely
on their own?
See below
If so, showing some supporting evidence as to how.
If this can help, I'm building OpenOffice.org (1.x, 2.x and 3.x), on
all platforms (Windows, Mac and Linux). since 2004, and contributing
to bugfixes and fix build breakers since 2005.
As a game or stupid bet (choose the right word), and to have Fun with
students, I forked OpenOffice.org (basicaly OOo3.2.1_m19) to create
OOo4Kids, and OOoLight.
See : https://adullact.net/projects/ooo4kids1 for further information.
This is basicaly the same size as OpenOffice.org tree, but
simplified. We forked OpenOffice.org to avoid a boring QA process,
but are eager to contribute back when the students write interesting
features. So yes, this is possible : since more than a year, we
provide major ports, means Windows (including portable version), Mac
OS X and Linux Intel and even ARM versions, in 17 locales.
With that, I can say I know well the OpenOffice.org build process
(all platforms excepted Solaris), and as I wrote, I'm ready to
participate, help if I can, and to share my knowledge, and participate.
But maybe I misunderstood your question ?
Granted learning code is fun in my opinion but it won't lead to a
good outcome in the long run without some very knowledgeable people
supporting the project.
I completely agree, and the most obvious way to create something
sustainable is to start soon (urgent). And to document.
Just as example, I'd suggest something like that (maybe a bit
outdated) : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/EnvironmentSetup
This is essential to propose the same asap for the incubator project.
Having 2 or even 3 people supporting a project of this size is
a sure sign of failure.
I hope more will join :)
Unless these people really are major contributors with evidence and
know how to back them up.
Another thing coming is that IRC is essential for helping newcomers.
What about discuss those points directly ? (e.g. on
#dev.openoffice.org , server : irc.freenode.net ?)
IMHO, the role of Oracle developers is essential, and we should
firstly invite them to join. The problem is, that we don't know how
Oracle management announced the donation, and how things have been
done internaly.
(2) The licensing is also an issue, and a serious one at that.
From my little own side, I just would like to say, for an individual
contributor, is the story of the contributions. Any patch or code has
a lifetime, and is not that important after all : what remains is
"you did that a day".
But I know we are not that much in this situation, and I'll stop
there :-)
Regards,
Eric Bachard
--
qɔᴉɹə
Education Project:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project
Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
