On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Malcolm Edgar wrote:
Ok thanks everyone for the feedback eveyone. I acknowledge the importance of growing the committer community, which is something we have not focused on, rather we have been looking at all the other nuts and bolts incubation issues. I can see this is very important for ensuring a sustainable Apache project, and we will now focus on growing the Click comitter community. One we have got to a healthy committer base and things are running smoothly, we will come back to another graduation vote.
+1 Hope to hear some good news in a few months' time. Craig
Thanks for your time. regards Malcolm Edgar On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Niall Pemberton <niall.pember...@gmail.com> wrote:On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Andrus Adamchik <and...@objectstyle.org > wrote:3 is the minimal number that is needed for a formal acceptance. So I see no problem with it. Click has been a successful open source project done the Apache way before entering Apache, so I think it is definitely ready to graduate now. While a possibility of a vote deadlock exists, it does existfor any other Apache project as well.Interesting aspect of this though... say a PMC member X goes AWOL. Will it be valid for the 2 remaining members to vote another person in the PMC? I'dsay yes, but definitely a non-standard situation...PMCs I've been on have required three +1 votes. Perhaps thats aconvention rather than rule, but for releases it a minimum of three +1 votes are required - see the "Votes on Package Releases" section here:http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html This issue is not a criticism of the Click community, but just a practical concern that it can continue to operate here within the ASF processes. It also would be good to have seen Click growing its community here - again not a criticism, but practical evidence to the IPMC to base a decision on graduation. NiallAndrus On Apr 24, 2009, at 1:25 AM, Niall Pemberton wrote:Comparing the original proposal to the graduation resolution it seems that click entered incubation with 4 committers and proposes to leavewith 3.IMO a PMC of three is not enough - one person disappears and you can'tget the three votes required to do anything. NiallOn Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Bob Schellink <sa...@apache.org> wrote:Hi all, The Apache Click PPMC would like to have feedback on the followinggraduation proposal before asking for a vote. The Click community alreadyvotes in favor of graduation which is recorded here: http://www.mail-archive.com/click-...@incubator.apache.org/msg00574.html Click status page: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/click.html Kind regards Bob --- Begin Proposed Board Resolution --- WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to a framework for creating page and component oriented web applications, for distribution at no charge to the public. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Click Project", be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Click Project be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of a page and component oriented web framework and related tools; and be it furtherRESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Click" be andhereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of The Apache Click Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of The Apache Click Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of The Apache Click Project: * Malcolm Edgar (med...@...) * Bob Schellink (sa...@...) * Naoki Takezoe (take...@...) NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Malcolm Edgar be and hereby is appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Click, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Click Project be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Click podling; and be it further RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Apache Incubator Click podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter discharged. --- End Proposed Board Resolution --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Craig L Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:craig.russ...@sun.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
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