Ok thanks everyone for the feedback eveyone. I acknowledge the importance of growing the committer community, which is something we have not focused on, rather we have been looking at all the other nuts and bolts incubation issues. I can see this is very important for ensuring a sustainable Apache project, and we will now focus on growing the Click comitter community. One we have got to a healthy committer base and things are running smoothly, we will come back to another graduation vote.
Thanks for your time. regards Malcolm Edgar On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Niall Pemberton <niall.pember...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Andrus Adamchik <and...@objectstyle.org> > wrote: >> 3 is the minimal number that is needed for a formal acceptance. So I see no >> problem with it. Click has been a successful open source project done the >> Apache way before entering Apache, so I think it is definitely ready to >> graduate now. While a possibility of a vote deadlock exists, it does exist >> for any other Apache project as well. >> >> Interesting aspect of this though... say a PMC member X goes AWOL. Will it >> be valid for the 2 remaining members to vote another person in the PMC? I'd >> say yes, but definitely a non-standard situation... > > PMCs I've been on have required three +1 votes. Perhaps thats a > convention rather than rule, but for releases it a minimum of three +1 > votes are required - see the "Votes on Package Releases" section here: > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html > > This issue is not a criticism of the Click community, but just a > practical concern that it can continue to operate here within the ASF > processes. It also would be good to have seen Click growing its > community here - again not a criticism, but practical evidence to the > IPMC to base a decision on graduation. > > Niall > >> Andrus >> >> >> On Apr 24, 2009, at 1:25 AM, Niall Pemberton wrote: >> >>> Comparing the original proposal to the graduation resolution it seems >>> that click entered incubation with 4 committers and proposes to leave >>> with 3. >>> >>> IMO a PMC of three is not enough - one person disappears and you can't >>> get the three votes required to do anything. >>> >>> Niall >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Bob Schellink <sa...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> The Apache Click PPMC would like to have feedback on the following >>>> graduation proposal before asking for a vote. The Click community already >>>> votes in favor of graduation which is recorded here: >>>> >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/click-...@incubator.apache.org/msg00574.html >>>> >>>> Click status page: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/click.html >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> --- Begin Proposed Board Resolution --- >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best >>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's >>>> purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with >>>> the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to >>>> a framework for creating page and component oriented web >>>> applications, for distribution at no charge to the public. >>>> >>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management >>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Click Project", >>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the >>>> Foundation; and be it further >>>> >>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Click Project be and hereby is >>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of >>>> a page and component oriented web framework and related tools; >>>> and be it further >>>> >>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Click" be and >>>> hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the >>>> direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of The Apache >>>> Click Project, and to have primary responsibility for >>>> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of >>>> The Apache Click Project; and be it further >>>> >>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and >>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of The >>>> Apache Click Project: >>>> >>>> * Malcolm Edgar (med...@...) >>>> * Bob Schellink (sa...@...) >>>> * Naoki Takezoe (take...@...) >>>> >>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Malcolm Edgar >>>> be and hereby is appointed to the office of Vice President, >>>> Apache Click, to serve in accordance with and subject to >>>> the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the >>>> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or >>>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it >>>> further >>>> >>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Click Project be and hereby >>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache >>>> Incubator Click podling; and be it further >>>> >>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Apache >>>> Incubator Click podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator >>>> PMC are hereafter discharged. >>>> >>>> --- End Proposed Board Resolution --- >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
