Noel J. Bergman wrote: > William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > >> Any official IPMC vote should occur on and be archived at one of >> its two lists, private@ (for people-stuff) or general@, AFAICT. > > Personally, I would prefer to have these votes on general@, but Geir > expressed his reasons in the absence of a rule to that effect. > And all of the lists belong to the Incubator PMC, right?
In a manner of speaking, yes, but there's no g'damned way I'm grepping through 90+ lists to find IPMC vote history :) > Jakarta doesn't hold all of its votes on [EMAIL PROTECTED] > So one can argue the point both ways. Uhm - well, no, since this isn't Jakarta :) > Unless you feel that this is a procedural issue strong enough > to invalidate the vote, let's deal with it separately. You are the chairman... it's your call and yours alone ;-P Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > While bringing Harmony out for graduation was never meant to be a > vehicle for change, it's clear that there are opportunities where we can > explore alternatives to our conventional process. For example, working > in interaction between the podling and the greater incubator community, > and doing it on "home turf" for the podling. Yes - as part of mentoring I totally agree with you. But I think you might have confused interaction and process - with Procedure :) > I keep thinking of something I believe Roy said when we first were > getting community incubation and PPMCs formalized - when a community > gets organized enough to vote itself out of the Incubator, it's > appropriate. And that's where there's some confusion. The project *needs* to vote itself out of incubator. The IPMC only ratifies that vote or invalidates it. That is how it should be on all votes, new committers, ship a release or whatever. If the whole idea is for projects to learn the process of making consensus decisions or the closest approximation available, then by all means the PMC's vote needs to happen on the PMC list. The ratification vote should happen on General for ***other projects to learn the process***. The beauty of the general@ list is that all incubation efforts can benefit from one anothers' successes and missteps :) But it's Noel's call after all :) Sorry I didn't quite glean what you were saying in your first two paragraphs on the first read. Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
