> I also saw (but didn't click through) a piece (on another outlet feed) that Trump had offered (minority/oppressed) White South Africans "refugee status" in the US and was rejected. It > sounds like more of his culture-war stirring even if it fell flat.
This is big news here in South Africa, but I prefer to stay out of it. I am an Afrikaner, but I feel ashamed that (probably all?) Afrikaner organizations are racist, so I don’t associate with them. Fortunately, they have little real influence on what actually happens here, though they have a loud presence in national debates, so I don’t see a reason to follow this discussion. Just to clarify, there are prominent and very influential Afrikaners who are definitely not racist, but they don’t bother with Afrikaner organizations. I also believe that most Afrikaners are not racist. On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 at 20:00, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > The problem is not discretionary spending like R&D. The problem is > Medicare. > > > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Pieter Steenekamp > *Sent:* Saturday, February 8, 2025 11:07 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] So much for U.S. competitiveness > > > > From U.S. competitiveness, science funding and oil exploration boosting , > I wish to add spiralling debt that might just crash the party — uninvited. > With total debt racing toward $40 trillion and growing by $2 trillion a > year, something’s bound to snap. Back in the Clinton days, Al Gore helped > cut wasteful spending, and they nearly balanced the budget. But then Bush > heard, “Deficits don’t matter,” and took it to heart. Since then, it’s been > a downhill ride, with Biden making new records — just not the good kind. > > I’m not American, but if I were, I’d be searching for the receipt to > return this mountain of debt before the whole system collapses. Might be > time to hit the brakes. Betting on a bankrupt country to stay competitive > doesn’t seem like a smart move. > > > > On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 at 23:56, Santafe <desm...@santafe.edu> wrote: > > Thanks for these, Marcus, > > > > Eric > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2025, at 12:44, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > > > > From Copilot. (Of course, this is prior to Trump 2.0.) > > Here's the updated table with science funding as a percentage of GDP, > including health research budgets (like the NIH), fundamental research > (like the DOE Office of Science and NSF), and defense-related research > (like IARPA, DARPA, and nuclear weapons), along with the complete footnotes: > > *Country* > > *Total R&D Spending (% of GDP)* > > *Health Research (% of GDP)* > > *Fundamental Research (% of GDP)* > > *Defense-Related Research (% of GDP)* > > Israel > > 4.9% > > 1.0% > > 2.0% > > 1.9% > > South Korea > > 4.5% > > 0.9% > > 2.2% > > 1.4% > > Sweden > > 3.4% > > 0.7% > > 1.7% > > 1.0% > > Germany > > 3.1% > > 0.6% > > 1.5% > > 1.0% > > Denmark > > 2.9% > > 0.6% > > 1.5% > > 0.8% > > United States > > 2.8% > > 0.6% > > 1.4% > > 0.8% > > France > > 2.2% > > 0.4% > > 1.1% > > 0.7% > > China > > 2.2% > > 0.4% > > 1.1% > > 0.7% > > Saudi Arabia > > 1.0% > > 0.2% > > 0.5% > > 0.3% > > United Kingdom > > 1.7% > > 0.3% > > 0.9% > > 0.5% > > UAE > > 1.3% > > 0.3% > > 0.7% > > 0.3% > > India > > 0.7% > > 0.1% > > 0.4% > > 0.2% > > Chile > > 0.6% > > 0.1% > > 0.3% > > 0.2% > > Argentina > > 0.5% > > 0.1% > > 0.3% > > 0.1% > > Uruguay > > 0.4% > > 0.1% > > 0.2% > > 0.1% > > Kazakhstan > > 0.2% > > 0.0% > > 0.1% > > 0.1% > > Uganda > > 0.1% > > 0.0% > > 0.0% > > 0.0% > > These values are estimates based on available data and may vary slightly > depending on the source. > > 1. *List of sovereign states by research and development spending* - > This source provides information on R&D spending by country, including data > from the World Bank, United Nations Economic Commission for Europe, and the > Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. > 2. *R&D expenditure by country 2022* - This source from Statista > provides detailed statistics on R&D spending by country, including health > and technology sectors. > 3. *How much does your country invest in R&D?* - This UNESCO source > provides data on R&D spending as a percentage of GDP and in purchasing > power parity dollars. > 4. *Federal Research and Development (R&D) Funding: FY2024* - This > Congressional Research Service report provides detailed information on > federal R&D funding in the United States, including breakdowns by health, > fundamental research, and defense-related research. > 5. *Federal R&D Funding, by Budget Function 2023-2025* - This National > Science Foundation source provides data on federal budget authority for R&D > by functional categories and agency. > 6. *Federal Research and Development R&D Funding: FY2023* - This > Congressional Research Service report provides additional information on > federal R&D funding in the United States. > > > > > > *From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Santafe < > desm...@santafe.edu> > *Date: *Saturday, February 8, 2025 at 1:51 AM > *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] So much for U.S. competitiveness > > Would be interesting to see a list of various categories of science > funding per capita or per GDP for countries around the world. Situate the > prospective US in this list. Will our society be like that of Kazakhstan? > Or maybe like Uganda? 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