Hi Pieters: My apologies if my reply caused you, or anyone else, distress. My intent was to express my view that the referred to AI reply offered no information that would not be fairly obvious to an observant human being.
——- Pat Sent from Gmail Mobile On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 21:14 Pieter Steenekamp <piet...@randcontrols.co.za> wrote: > I take this (was it sarcasm?) seriously. My intention is to use AI without > causing annoyance, though it seems I might not have succeeded this time. > The last thing I want is to avoid contributing my own human thoughts and > opinions to the discussion. That said, when we’re dealing with unknown > facts, I believe it’s reasonable to turn to AI for a fresh perspective or > to help fill in gaps where I lack the answers — much like Glen asking > Claude to summarize the podcast. > > We’re all still learning how to navigate this new AI-enabled world, and I > genuinely want to do so while maintaining positive and constructive human > interactions. If I misstepped, please let me know — I’m open to feedback. > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 at 05:02, Patrick Reilly <patrick.rei...@ipsociety.net> > wrote: > >> AI drivel, eh? >> >> Sent from Gmail Mobile >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 16:29 Pieter Steenekamp < >> piet...@randcontrols.co.za> wrote: >> >>> I asked MS Copilot and she gave the following answer: >>> >>> Me: >>> Please help clarify this for me? In an interview, Javier Milei, the >>> President of Argentina, made two seemingly contradictory claims: (a) 50,000 >>> public employees were laid off, and (b) not a single job was lost. How can >>> both statements be true? What actually happened in Argentina over the past >>> year? >>> >>> MS Copilot: >>> Javier Milei's statements might seem contradictory at first, but they >>> can be understood in the context of his broader economic policies and the >>> specific actions taken by his administration. >>> What Happened in Argentina >>> >>> 1. >>> >>> *Layoffs of Public Employees*: >>> - >>> >>> Javier Milei's administration laid off a significant number of >>> public employees. Reports indicate that around 50,000 state employees >>> were >>> laid off as part of his efforts to reduce government spending and >>> streamline the public sector2. This move was part of a broader >>> strategy to cut public spending and reduce the national deficit. >>> 2. >>> >>> *Economic Context*: >>> - >>> >>> Argentina has been facing severe economic challenges, including >>> high inflation and a struggling economy. Milei's administration has >>> implemented various austerity measures to address these issues, which >>> included reducing the number of public sector employees. >>> 3. >>> >>> *Private Sector Job Creation*: >>> - >>> >>> Despite the layoffs in the public sector, Milei's administration >>> has been focused on creating jobs in the private sector. The claim >>> that >>> "not a single job was lost" likely refers to the overall employment >>> situation, where the administration aims to offset public sector job >>> losses >>> with private sector job creation. This approach is intended to >>> stimulate >>> economic growth and reduce the burden on the state. >>> >>> Summary >>> >>> While the layoffs of public employees are a fact, the claim that "not a >>> single job was lost" can be interpreted as an assertion that the overall >>> employment situation has not worsened due to efforts to create jobs in the >>> private sector. This reflects Milei's broader economic strategy of reducing >>> government expenditure while promoting private sector growth. >>> >>> Does this help clarify the situation for you? >>> >>> References: >>> 1reason.com2buenosairesherald.com3www.batimes.com.ar >>> >>> On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 at 01:02, Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org> wrote: >>> >>>> How can you have "laid off 50,000 public employees so far [...] while >>>> [...] not losing jobs."? Are public employees not working at jobs? Are >>>> jobs not lost if you destroy them on purpose? >>>> >>>> -- rec -- >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:05 AM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Axios may be on to something. MSNBC is more like therapy than news. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Pieter >>>>> Steenekamp <piet...@randcontrols.co.za> >>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, November 20, 2024 at 8:57 AM >>>>> *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >>>>> friam@redfish.com> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Javier Milei >>>>> >>>>> Claude deserves some applause for doing a solid job summarizing the >>>>> podcast — well done! The conclusion, "As with any extreme ideology, a >>>>> degree of skepticism is warranted until real-world evidence validates the >>>>> theories," seems pretty spot-on. It’s a good reminder that bold ideas >>>>> often >>>>> need to prove themselves in the wild. >>>>> >>>>> I’m genuinely curious to see how things play out in the next year or >>>>> so. Let’s be honest, Argentina could really use a win when it comes to >>>>> improving things. Fingers crossed for fewer missteps and more meaningful >>>>> strides forward! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 at 18:03, glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Nearly 2 hrs? No thanks. Here's Claude's summation, FWIW. >>>>> >>>>> -------------------- >>>>> Claim 1: Milei says he came to understand the ideas of freedom and >>>>> Austrian economics in 2013-2014 after reading works by Rothbard, Mises, >>>>> Hayek and others. This caused a "revolution" in his thinking. >>>>> >>>>> Claim 2: Milei describes himself as an anarcho-capitalist in >>>>> principle, but a minarchist in practice given real-world constraints. He >>>>> wants to minimize the state as much as possible. >>>>> >>>>> Claim 3: Upon taking office, Milei says Argentina had annual inflation >>>>> heading towards 17,000%, poverty near 50%, fiscal deficits of 15% of GDP, >>>>> and was on the brink of hyperinflation and economic collapse. >>>>> >>>>> Claim 4: Milei says his government achieved fiscal balance in its >>>>> first month, cut ministries by over half, laid off 50,000 public employees >>>>> so far, cut social plans, and reduced inflation from a 17,000% annual rate >>>>> to 2.4% in six months, all while avoiding price controls and not losing >>>>> jobs. >>>>> >>>>> Claim 5: Milei's goal is to make Argentina the freest country in the >>>>> world through deregulation and free market reforms. He believes this will >>>>> dramatically increase GDP per capita. >>>>> >>>>> Claim 6: Milei is aligned geopolitically with the US and Israel, which >>>>> he sees as representing freedom and Western liberal democracy against >>>>> autocracy. He wants stronger trade ties with the US. >>>>> >>>>> Claim 7: Milei believes free market capitalism is the best system for >>>>> human cooperation and prosperity. He rejects the notion of market failures >>>>> and says neoclassical economics enables harmful government interventions. >>>>> >>>>> In summary, Milei makes bold claims about rapidly improving >>>>> Argentina's economy through free market policies. More data over time is >>>>> needed to fully assess the results. His broader philosophical arguments >>>>> express common libertarian/anarcho-capitalist views, which are influential >>>>> in some circles but rejected by many mainstream economists and experts. 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