I think my gating is dynamic. For example, a week ago a guy didn’t look and 
pulled in front me on my bicycle when I had the right of way. I hit him hard 
enough to break bones. He circled back and seemed fearful and contrite. Had his 
emotions been even slightly less convincing, and especially if I thought he 
could absorb the cost, I would have made an example out of him. That’s a 
combination of mentalizing and empathy. But like a strong immune response, I 
will sometimes drive the empathy to zero in seconds. It just doesn’t make sense 
to me why people would not discipline their feelings in such situations. 

From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen <geprope...@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 9:18 AM
To: friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance 

Yes. The model need not be structurally analogous to the referent. And the 
proof is in the pudding. If your estimator works better than those around you, 
as Eric seems to say, your cup's plenty full. But for me, there's a kind of 
frustration. I have friends who skillfully use filter bubbles. They may still, 
sporadically, have to interact in some relatively deep way with some outsider 
who doesn't have access to the lessons a failed prediction can teach. And they 
have coping mechanisms for those interactions (e.g. a Peter Principle boss or 
co-author). For some reason, I don't have the facility with the filter bubble. 
Or maybe I'm addicted to chaos 
<https://youtu.be/ntrMqThnzTU?si=pzlZj0OFd_rDjnf1 
<https://youtu.be/ntrMqThnzTU?si=pzlZj0OFd_rDjnf1>>.

But there's still something there. Art like The Curse 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curse_(American_TV_series 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curse_(American_TV_series>)> seem like 
genius to me. They're little more than a derivation from things like Jackass 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackass_(franchise 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackass_(franchise>)>. But these things dig at 
something deep. Some of us, for whatever reason, experience empathy (which I'll 
define as "experiencing another's feelings", where feelings are higher order 
emotions). This trait seems distinct from mentalizing (modeling another's mind).

I'm pretty good at mentalizing, say, a Trump supporter. I don't have empathy 
for the Trump supporters I've met, though. And that seems important. It 
suggests to me that my estimator *could* be more accurate and efficient if I 
could somehow feel what they feel, especially if I could turn it on and off at 
will.

On 10/16/24 11:53, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> I take the asocial view: Reliable, rapidly retargetable prediction methods 
> are all that matter. Can one anticipate what will happen in the world and get 
> ahead of it?
> 
> With that capability, there is no need to use truth as a cudgel. The power 
> the prediction methods provide are a deeper source of power. Sure, the truths 
> can be high order stabilities. Who cares?
> 


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