I think that was Jochen that said it, not Russ. But your refutation is either a fallacy of ambiguity or composition. By
"the rule of law", we don't mean the rule of any particular law ... like a city statute against walking your
alligator down the street or whatever. We mean the entire legislative, executive, and judicial enterprise. Of course,
particular slices of the population are exempt from some particular law. E.g. London cabbies used to be allowed to
urinate wherever without regard to the typical laws governing such. That doesn't imply that London cabbies are
"above the law". I suppose you could say they're above that particular set of laws. But "exempt"
isn't synonymous with "above", anyway.
I don't think the SCOTUS ruling on immunity claims the President is above the
law, contrary to the implications of the left's rhetoric, only that they're
exempt from some/most/all laws when executing the role of their office. It's
bad. But it's not bad in the way the rhetoric implies.
On 10/14/24 09:27, Prof David West wrote:
Sorry Russ, but /"Nobody should be above the law if the rule of law has any meaning
in a democratic society,"/ is an absurd idea.
Assuming the US is a democratic society (in some sense), I would defy you to find any
existing law that does not have exceptions that place someone, in some role or in some
cirsumstance, "above" that law.
davew
On Mon, Oct 14, 2024, at 8:58 AM, John Kennison wrote:
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I don’t think that’s fair. It depends on the opponent and what they represent
both in terms of ideology and the sociological phenomenon they are a part of.
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A president who murders his opponents would not be better than an evil dictator
in an authoritarian state. Putin's opponents like Navalny, Litvinenko and
Nemtsov were all brutally poisoned and/or murdered.
But you are right, this possibility exists after the recent decision of the
supreme court. It seems to be a result of democratic backsliding. Nobody should
be above the law if the rule of law has any meaning in a democratic society.
-J.
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From: Russ Abbott <russ.abb...@gmail.com <mailto:russ.abb...@gmail.com>>
Date: 7/16/24 7:48 PM (GMT+01:00)
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance
Why has no one pointed out the possibility that if Trump wins, Biden could take
advantage of his newly declared immunity and have him assassinated?
-- Russ
On Tue, Jul 16, 2024, 6:24 AM glen <geprope...@gmail.com
<mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yeah. It's one thing to wish it or want it. It's another to think more in
Marcus' terms and come up with a more complex strategy not involving stupid 20
year olds and no violence at all. I still hold out hope for my own personal
conspiracy theory. Biden becomes the nominee. After the convention fades, the
Admnistration announces Biden has gone to the hospital for bone spur surgery.
Kamala takes over temporarily and campaigns furiously for Biden-Harris. Biden
is re-elected. Biden recovers and gets through the Oath (fingers crossed). Then
he goes back to the hospital with some minor thing like a dizzy spell. Kamala
takes over again. Biden's condition worsens. First Female President. Biden
recovers and becomes America's Grandpa.
Come on Deep State. Make it happen. 8^D
On 7/15/24 17:30, Russ Abbott wrote:
> I wonder what Scott's response would have been to those of us who, in
response to the shooting, thought: better luck next time.
> On 7/15/24 17:28, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> It ignores the option of doing things quietly and indirectly.
>> On 7/15/24 16:46, glen wrote:
>>> [Scott's] Prayer
>>> https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8117 <https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8117>
>>>
>>> I'm currently surrounded by people who believe intolerance is properly not tolerated. Scott's
message, here, seems extraordinary Christian, to me. (Real Christian, not the Christianism displayed in things
like megachurches and whatnot cf https://raymondsmullyan.com/books/who-knows/
<https://raymondsmullyan.com/books/who-knows/>). This faith that "going high" will, in the long
run, win out, seems naive to me. The temptation to "hoist the black flag and start slitting throats"
isn't merely a thresholded reaction, it's an intuitive grasp of the iterated prisoner's dilemma, tit-for-tat style
strategies, and Ashby's LoRV. But I'm open to changing my mind on that. Maybe I'm just too low-brow?
>>>
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