As the whitelash thing works itself out over the next few decades,
I listened to JD Vance's interviews when he was first on his "Hillbilly
Elegy" booktour back whenever (2015?) and was hopeful for him. I
thought he was bringing some type of visibility and healthy response to
the stigmergic and transient stimuli which ultimately yielded the frothy
whitelash we have been in for (way to long of) a while now. When he
was speaking so vociferously against Trump, I had some renewed hope that
he represented something productive in the realm of relieving the
conditions frothing up the whitelash...
His current "short game" looks as ugly or worse than any of the other
(DeSantis, Cruz, Hawley, ... ) wankers, and I fear his "long game" is
even better than theirs, probably to "nothing good will come" effect.
A kinked short-story, however, might include him catching the mantle
when Trump drops/fumbles/has-ripped-from-cold-dead-hands and doing the
things I imagined for/from him 10 years ago. Almost certainly not.
Power is corruption. Project 2025 would likely be his blueprint as well.
hopefully our machine siblings will find a way to manage the infestation.
Like Robot Wars in reverse.
Robot Peace? With Folded Hands <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Humanoids>
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Yeah. I don't like the word "myth", though. I prefer something like "extrapolation".
There exist what I estimate best approximates true patriots inside the alphabet agencies (including the not
so glamorous ones like NOAA) who, in spite of any political opinions they may hold at home, try to stick to
their mission. That value structure provides the infrastructure for extrapolation into something like the
Deep State. They actively sell such a thing in, say, "Be All You Can Be" ads and recruitment
rhetoric. They did this when I was in college and I'm sure they still do it. And to a large extent, it's
true. The Army is still the most logistically capable agency on the planet (IMNSHO) ... despite the strides
made by Toyota, Walmart, Amazon, etc. If you take it seriously, you can learn some serious skills and reap
some serious benefits while helping the State achieve serious feats.
But extrapolation always comes with uncertainty. And humans are incapable of
reasoning over such. Our machine siblings, however ...
On 7/16/24 07:43, Marcus Daniels wrote:
The gross failure of the Deep State here is strong evidence it is a myth.
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From: Friam<friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2024 6:24 AM
To:friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance
Yeah. It's one thing to wish it or want it. It's another to think more in
Marcus' terms and come up with a more complex strategy not involving stupid 20
year olds and no violence at all. I still hold out hope for my own personal
conspiracy theory. Biden becomes the nominee. After the convention fades, the
Admnistration announces Biden has gone to the hospital for bone spur surgery.
Kamala takes over temporarily and campaigns furiously for Biden-Harris. Biden
is re-elected. Biden recovers and gets through the Oath (fingers crossed). Then
he goes back to the hospital with some minor thing like a dizzy spell. Kamala
takes over again. Biden's condition worsens. First Female President. Biden
recovers and becomes America's Grandpa.
Come on Deep State. Make it happen. 8^D
On 7/15/24 17:30, Russ Abbott wrote:
I wonder what Scott's response would have been to those of us who, in response
to the shooting, thought: better luck next time.
On 7/15/24 17:28, Marcus Daniels wrote:
It ignores the option of doing things quietly and indirectly.
On 7/15/24 16:46, glen wrote:
[Scott's] Prayer
https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8117
I'm currently surrounded by people who believe intolerance is properly not tolerated. Scott's
message, here, seems extraordinary Christian, to me. (Real Christian, not the Christianism
displayed in things like megachurches and whatnot cfhttps://raymondsmullyan.com/books/who-knows/).
This faith that "going high" will, in the long run, win out, seems naive to me. The
temptation to "hoist the black flag and start slitting throats" isn't merely a
thresholded reaction, it's an intuitive grasp of the iterated prisoner's dilemma, tit-for-tat style
strategies, and Ashby's LoRV. But I'm open to changing my mind on that. Maybe I'm just too low-brow?
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