responding to two of glen's comments: First the two anecdotes about dropping/catching things. My experience as I read them, there are two different conscious entities here, glen and glen's body. [Hidden premise in the movie, Jennifer's Body?] made me think, another experience, of the metaphor "monkey brain riding a dogs brain riding a lizards brain," and made me wonder, another experience, if all three have quasi-independent consciousnesses.
Second, the fusion anecdotes. I experienced a "yes!" moment regarding a continuum of consciousness: "mom's ICU partial fusion, mom's "fully home" fusion, and Huxley's Doors of Perception fusion, escaping the filters imposed by the 'focused-on-survival-brain' and achieving a (more) complete fusion. davew On Thu, Jul 25, 2024, at 8:29 AM, glen wrote: > I disagree the theme is "pausing between two possibilities". I view the > theme as a *fusion* of sensory input. Sometimes, the sensory fusion > appears to be intentionally stanced as a choice/decision. But that's > not the case in the itch transfer, hat-catching, or satiety examples. > Those are clearly examples of the fusion of high dimensional > environmental data. > > Consciousness is that *fusion*. Another example is when someone wakes > up from anesthesia, when you "see" that "someone is home". They've > become conscious. They're now taking in a bunch of data from the > environment and fusing it, making sense of it. I have a story akin to > that, too. Before my mom got her pacemaker put in, she'd been in the > ICU for a few days and had ICU delirium. She played cards with illusory > people, kept telling me there was a man behind me, asking me what the > man was doing there, etc. This is a kind of consciousness, but an > incomplete kind. When she would "wake up" from that delirium, you could > see that she was now fully "home", conscious, competently fusing the > incoming data. > > > On 7/24/24 18:46, Nicholas Thompson wrote: >> a theme that seems to run through these examples is that the animal pauses >> between two possibilities. we are tempted to understand these behaviors in >> terms of the consideration of alternatives, ...[snip]... just as you cat >> instead of doing either of the two things you might expect, hovers between >> the two, making what the ethologists would call "intention movements" in >> either direction as the pressure leaks out. >> >> But what calls for an explanation in both cases is the violation of the >> observer's expectations. > > > -- > ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
