Instead of a cable - maybe Tesla’s unrealized broadcast technology? I don’t remember the details but he was going to send power from Long Island, via the ionosphere, to light the world expo in Paris.
Davew On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, at 2:16 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > Following the conception of a Transatlantic power cable, I just heard on the > radio that a couple huge globe-ish spanning electrical-busses are under > planning... one that might span from Thailand to Saudi Arabia (through > northern India) with Solar (and other renewables?) tapping in along the way > and load-shifting E/W with the sunlight and load. Also maybe one that spans > Australia which I believe to be about as wide as the US? > > Seems like TX's problems stemming from their own (short-sighted?) > self-isolation might be good hosts/promoters of such a long-throw? > > I don't know what it would take to upgrade the national rail system to also > be a load-balancing shadow network for renewable electricity? I assume none > of them are electrified (third rail) but maybe laying one, given the > pre-existing right-of-way and regular inspection/maintenance/access available > would be of interest? But then maybe our FriAM member who is working on > converting natural gas to pneumatic energy-transfer/storage knows more about > all those issues? Hybridized infrastructure across many types? > > Maybe the existing Diesel-Electric Engines (most of what is on the rail) > could tap in mildly to reduce diesel consumption and do their own load > leveling? Fill empty tankers with water at the top of lines (where there > *is* water) and carry it to low lying land, extracting the PE from the > mass/elevation drop? Reline old asphalt/fuel-oil/etc tankers and provide > boutique "Rocky Mountain" (or Cascades) branch-water to the big cities while > extracting (maybe) enough energy from the elevation drop to at least pay to > haul the damn empties back up the hill? > > With me as the big "unintended consequence" chicken-little, I'm sure most if > not all of my hare-brained schemes are truly just "asking for trouble", but I > think it is inevitable that they will all be considered in the spirit of > adjacent-technical-possibles... > > National Railway System: > https://www.arcgis.com/apps/mapviewer/index.html?webmap=96ec03e4fc8546bd8a864e39a2c3fc41 > >> This fusion video should be the standard for how to present every single >> technological innovation, every so-called "renewable energy" device that is >> too little, too late, and most importantly distracts us from thinking >> seriously about how we shall survive climate catastrophe and continue to >> live a flourishing life on earth. Thank you Carl--I think you sent this >> link to the group. >> >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 10:57 AM cody dooderson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I had never heard of a transatlantic power grid. That is an interesting >>> idea. The sun is probably shining somewhere on the earth at any given time. >>> Would a lot of energy get wasted with the long distances? >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 10:46 AM Gillian Densmore <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> frank: ah! thanks. It seems like you've had 99 lives man. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 12:28 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> I like the idea of a large transatlantic DC power cable. That would >>>>> enable solar power to be distributed around the world. It would reduce >>>>> the need to depend on batteries for wind and solar. Of course, you >>>>> raise #3, so it would be a target for sabotage like with Nordstream. It >>>>> would be nice to think there are things just to valuable to destroy, but >>>>> probably there are no such things. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of Sarbajit Roy >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2022 12:01 AM >>>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement >>>>> >>>>> What you are missing includes >>>>> 1) Disposal of long term hazardous nuclear waste. >>>>> 2) Problems in maintaining / decommissioning ol older nuclear fission >>>>> plants >>>>> 3) Examples like we are seeing Ukraine's nuclear plants caught up in a >>>>> war. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 2:59 AM Gillian Densmore <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Ok so this is cool and all. >>>>>> Sigh I'll ask *that* question. We want less carbons because the planet >>>>>> is on f'n fire <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFgBFYkBZ6E> . As far >>>>>> as I know humans (in the very least) accelerated climate change. Ie we >>>>>> made this mess clean it up. ok fair so far I'm following. >>>>>> So uh why not just start with fission (breeders) ? Why not also put as >>>>>> much money into matter/anti matter as well as fusion? We can make minute >>>>>> amounts of antimatter in massive collider. I'd think something who's by >>>>>> product are xrays gamma and some other stuff with a lot of energy >>>>>> created would be a massive honney pot the department of energy would >>>>>> pursue as well. >>>>>> I know the answer to fission (sadly) is NIMBY. (yes but it's a lot >>>>>> cleaner and safer than oil and coal I say) >>>>>> I don't know why we haven't looked at other things as well >>>>>> What I'm saying is fusion has been humans icarus wings with it being >>>>>> just arround the corner for decades. while matter/anti matter is (sort >>>>>> of) here. Fission is here. Want zero carbons? cool! so why not build out >>>>>> a ton of reactors we already can do. Or am I missing something? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 8:31 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> How ICF might evolve into a power plant: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://firstlightfusion.com/technology/power-plant >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2022, at 7:16 AM, glen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Excellent! Thanks. I think I'll have to push this topic for another >>>>>>>> day. I've got a few more links from other fora I'll plop here just in >>>>>>>> case I only land back here if/when I pop it off the stack later: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://lasers.llnl.gov/news/magnetized-targets-boost-nif-implosion-performance >>>>>>>> https://spie.org/news/nuclear-fusion-nifs-hall-of-mirrors-may-solve-worlds-energy-crisis?SSO=1 >>>>>>>> https://www.science.org/content/article/fusion-power-may-run-fuel-even-gets-started >>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/12/what-enabled-the-big-boost-in-fusion-energy-announced-this-week/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/13/22 16:23, Steve Smith wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think DT refers simply to the remaining fraction of >>>>>>>>> Deuterium/Tritium remaining after the reaction event (-4%) without >>>>>>>>> specific accounting for remaining D vs T. >>>>>>>>> My understanding is that D-T fusion occurs at a lower temperature >>>>>>>>> than D-D but that once fusion commences (starting with D-T), both D-T >>>>>>>>> and D-D reactions occurring in similar amounts. In laser-driven ICF >>>>>>>>> (as with NIF) I believe the ratio of D/T is nominally 50/50 though it >>>>>>>>> would seem to make sense to have a higher T to D ratio but most >>>>>>>>> references I see imply equal portions. An equal number of D-D and >>>>>>>>> D-T reactions would seem to consume D more quickly, though as that >>>>>>>>> commences, the D/T ratio would go down, making D-T reactions (yet) >>>>>>>>> more likely... tricky business, no wonder it has taken decades to >>>>>>>>> get to this point? >>>>>>>>> The Wikipedia Entry on ICF is pretty good: >>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_confinement_fusion >>>>>>>>> I found several popular science Articles which seem to reinforce my >>>>>>>>> sense that this "breakthrough" is not as significant as implied: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.science.org/content/article/fusion-breakthrough-nif-uh-not-really >>>>>>>>> Other interesting/relevant links regarding D-T and D-D fusion... >>>>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/263507001_Species_separation_and_modification_of_neutron_diagnostics_in_inertial-confinement_fusion/figures?lo=1 >>>>>>>>> https://www.energy.gov/science/doe-explainsnuclear-fusion-reactions >>>>>>>>> <https://www.energy.gov/science/doe-explainsnuclear-fusion-reactions> >>>>>>>>> https://science.jrank.org/pages/4732/Nuclear-Fusion-D-D-D-T-reactions.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://science.jrank.org/pages/4732/Nuclear-Fusion-D-D-D-T-reactions.html> >>>>>>>>> On 12/13/22 4:36 PM, glen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> That's why I asked. I guess I'll assume DT means both deuterium and >>>>>>>>>> tritium, not just deuterium. If you were going to track fuel use, >>>>>>>>>> you'd track the rarer part more closely, right? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/22 09:22, Frank Wimberly wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> DT = deuterium? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> Frank C. Wimberly >>>>>>>>>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >>>>>>>>>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 505 670-9918 >>>>>>>>>>> Santa Fe, NM >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 10:21 AM glen <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Awesome. Thanks. I'm still trying to catch up with the QC >>>>>>>>>>> Wormhole kerfuffle. Who knew Quanta was so click baity? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What is "DT"? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/22 09:02, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > In case no one wanted to get up at 7:00am to watch DOE >>>>>>>>>>> administrators talk: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > 1. Controlling the laser in space and time was important for >>>>>>>>>>> maintaining symmetry. Timing precision of 25e-12 secs and laser >>>>>>>>>>> spatial precision of 5e-12 meter were needed. This was thought to >>>>>>>>>>> be the main explanation for the achievement. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > 2. 8% more power on the laser this time >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > 3. x-ray tomography is used to find flaws in the capsules. >>>>>>>>>>> Developing software to do the counting. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > 4. They have ongoing efforts to study the fabrication >>>>>>>>>>> systems and their components (done in Germany) to find >>>>>>>>>>> idiosyncrasies of each. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > 5. Laser technology improvements since NIF was built which >>>>>>>>>>> are 20% more efficient. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > 6. Target cost is from labor, and it takes 7 months each >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > 7. 4% of DT is burned in a shot >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > 8. Machine learning ties together radiation hydrodynamics >>>>>>>>>>> and experimental data. (It sounded preliminary.) >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > 9. The (successful) capsule had more defects than previous >>>>>>>>>>> experiments. However, previous experiments did show benefits from >>>>>>>>>>> capsule quality. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > 10. 15% of experiments are indirect drive of this kind, 15% >>>>>>>>>>> of experiments are other approaches to ignition. The rest are >>>>>>>>>>> weapons and materials characterization. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > 11. Anomalous laser directional control were problems in the >>>>>>>>>>> summer runs. 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