This fusion video should be the standard for how to present every single technological innovation, every so-called "renewable energy" device that is too little, too late, and most importantly distracts us from thinking seriously about how we shall survive climate catastrophe and continue to live a flourishing life on earth. Thank you Carl--I think you sent this link to the group.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 10:57 AM cody dooderson <[email protected]> wrote: > I had never heard of a transatlantic power grid. That is an interesting > idea. The sun is probably shining somewhere on the earth at any given time. > Would a lot of energy get wasted with the long distances? > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 10:46 AM Gillian Densmore <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> frank: ah! thanks. It seems like you've had 99 lives man. >> >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 12:28 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I like the idea of a large transatlantic DC power cable. That would >>> enable solar power to be distributed around the world. It would reduce >>> the need to depend on batteries for wind and solar. Of course, you raise >>> #3, so it would be a target for sabotage like with Nordstream. It would be >>> nice to think there are things just to valuable to destroy, but probably >>> there are no such things. >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of Sarbajit Roy < >>> [email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2022 12:01 AM >>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >>> [email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement >>> >>> What you are missing includes >>> 1) Disposal of long term hazardous nuclear waste. >>> 2) Problems in maintaining / decommissioning ol older nuclear >>> fission plants >>> 3) Examples like we are seeing Ukraine's nuclear plants caught up in a >>> war. >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 2:59 AM Gillian Densmore <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Ok so this is cool and all. >>> Sigh I'll ask *that* question. We want less carbons because the planet >>> is on f'n fire <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFgBFYkBZ6E> . As far >>> as I know humans (in the very least) accelerated climate change. Ie we made >>> this mess clean it up. ok fair so far I'm following. >>> So uh why not just start with fission (breeders) ? Why not also put as >>> much money into matter/anti matter as well as fusion? We can make minute >>> amounts of antimatter in massive collider. I'd think something who's by >>> product are xrays gamma and some other stuff with a lot of energy created >>> would be a massive honney pot the department of energy would pursue as well. >>> I know the answer to fission (sadly) is NIMBY. (yes but it's a lot >>> cleaner and safer than oil and coal I say) >>> I don't know why we haven't looked at other things as well >>> What I'm saying is fusion has been humans icarus wings with it being >>> just arround the corner for decades. while matter/anti matter is (sort of) >>> here. Fission is here. Want zero carbons? cool! so why not build out a ton >>> of reactors we already can do. Or am I missing something? >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 8:31 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> How ICF might evolve into a power plant: >>> >>> https://firstlightfusion.com/technology/power-plant >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Dec 14, 2022, at 7:16 AM, glen <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Excellent! Thanks. I think I'll have to push this topic for another >>> day. I've got a few more links from other fora I'll plop here just in case >>> I only land back here if/when I pop it off the stack later: >>> >>> >>> https://lasers.llnl.gov/news/magnetized-targets-boost-nif-implosion-performance >>> >>> https://spie.org/news/nuclear-fusion-nifs-hall-of-mirrors-may-solve-worlds-energy-crisis?SSO=1 >>> >>> https://www.science.org/content/article/fusion-power-may-run-fuel-even-gets-started >>> >>> https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/12/what-enabled-the-big-boost-in-fusion-energy-announced-this-week/ >>> >>> On 12/13/22 16:23, Steve Smith wrote: >>> >>> I think DT refers simply to the remaining fraction of Deuterium/Tritium >>> remaining after the reaction event (-4%) without specific accounting for >>> remaining D vs T. >>> >>> My understanding is that D-T fusion occurs at a lower temperature than >>> D-D but that once fusion commences (starting with D-T), both D-T and D-D >>> reactions occurring in similar amounts. In laser-driven ICF (as with NIF) I >>> believe the ratio of D/T is nominally 50/50 though it would seem to make >>> sense to have a higher T to D ratio but most references I see imply equal >>> portions. An equal number of D-D and D-T reactions would seem to consume >>> D more quickly, though as that commences, the D/T ratio would go down, >>> making D-T reactions (yet) more likely... tricky business, no wonder it >>> has taken decades to get to this point? >>> >>> The Wikipedia Entry on ICF is pretty good: >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_confinement_fusion >>> >>> I found several popular science Articles which seem to reinforce my >>> sense that this "breakthrough" is not as significant as implied: >>> >>> >>> https://www.science.org/content/article/fusion-breakthrough-nif-uh-not-really >>> >>> Other interesting/relevant links regarding D-T and D-D fusion... >>> >>> >>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/263507001_Species_separation_and_modification_of_neutron_diagnostics_in_inertial-confinement_fusion/figures?lo=1 >>> >>> https://www.energy.gov/science/doe-explainsnuclear-fusion-reactions < >>> https://www.energy.gov/science/doe-explainsnuclear-fusion-reactions> >>> >>> >>> https://science.jrank.org/pages/4732/Nuclear-Fusion-D-D-D-T-reactions.html >>> < >>> https://science.jrank.org/pages/4732/Nuclear-Fusion-D-D-D-T-reactions.html >>> > >>> >>> On 12/13/22 4:36 PM, glen wrote: >>> >>> That's why I asked. I guess I'll assume DT means both deuterium and >>> tritium, not just deuterium. If you were going to track fuel use, you'd >>> track the rarer part more closely, right? >>> >>> >>> On 12/13/22 09:22, Frank Wimberly wrote: >>> >>> DT = deuterium? >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> Frank C. Wimberly >>> >>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >>> >>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >>> >>> >>> 505 670-9918 >>> >>> Santa Fe, NM >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 10:21 AM glen <[email protected] <mailto: >>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Awesome. Thanks. I'm still trying to catch up with the QC Wormhole >>> kerfuffle. Who knew Quanta was so click baity? >>> >>> >>> What is "DT"? >>> >>> >>> On 12/13/22 09:02, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>> >>> > In case no one wanted to get up at 7:00am to watch DOE >>> administrators talk: >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > 1. Controlling the laser in space and time was important for >>> maintaining symmetry. Timing precision of 25e-12 secs and laser spatial >>> precision of 5e-12 meter were needed. This was thought to be the main >>> explanation for the achievement. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > 2. 8% more power on the laser this time >>> >>> > >>> >>> > 3. x-ray tomography is used to find flaws in the capsules. >>> Developing software to do the counting. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > 4. They have ongoing efforts to study the fabrication systems and >>> their components (done in Germany) to find idiosyncrasies of each. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > 5. Laser technology improvements since NIF was built which are >>> 20% more efficient. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > 6. Target cost is from labor, and it takes 7 months each >>> >>> > >>> >>> > 7. 4% of DT is burned in a shot >>> >>> > >>> >>> > 8. Machine learning ties together radiation hydrodynamics and >>> experimental data. (It sounded preliminary.) >>> >>> > >>> >>> > 9. The (successful) capsule had more defects than previous >>> experiments. 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