Explain themselves to _____? To you? For the purpose of _______? Securing your approval?
On Thu, Aug 26, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > They need to explain themselves, and it is entirely appropriate to make their > lives risky and inconvenient until they do. > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West > *Sent:* Thursday, August 26, 2021 12:07 PM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side > > > Glen is very sensitive to potential misrepresentation/misinterpretation of > his words, as am I. I merely asked if Glen's sentences, which on their face > seem to equate anti-vax and stupid, should be interpreted that way. In a > sense I was trolling him because I know he would not make such a blanket and > absolute assertion. > > However, the entire tenor of the thread, and the public rhetoric regarding > people holding anti-vax positions seems, to me, to be grounded in exactly > this kind of assertion: "if _you_ (a person) are anti-vax _you_ are stupid > (and probably a Trumpista or at least a Republican). > > In my opinion this kind of assertion is wrong, harmful, and, if your goal is > to increase vaccination rates, entirely counter-productive. > > davew > > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > > I addressed the stupid people vs stupid acts. Dave makes that > > conflation. I don't. > > > > But re: punishment - I also never claimed stupidity should be punished. > > I claimed stupidity should be painful. As a person who inflicts pain on > > myself daily, on purpose, it would be silly to identify pain with > > punishment. Futher, many of us are affected by chronic pain, often of > > unknown mechanism/origin. Sophistry about the problem of Evil > > notwithstanding, chronic pain is not the universe punishing you. The > > story of Job is a stupid story. > > > > We *could* talk about pain as a mechanism for aversive learning, > > though. The chronic pain I suffer from has taught me how to (and that I > > must) moderately meter out my pain in order to avoid greater amounts of > > pain. Pain has taught me a great deal. It's not a punishment in the > > slightest sense of that word. > > > > On 8/26/21 9:44 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > > It would be good to make a distinction between "punishment" and > > > "self-preservation". There is something incoherent about asserting that > > > stupid people need to be punished, because one of the salient features of > > > stupidity is an inability to learn from experience. > > > > > > Also, don't we need to distinguish between stupid people and stupid acts? > > -- > > ☤>$ uǝlƃ > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >
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