No, I didn't miss the conditional. Both with and without monism, you can call anything "communication" if you want. The garage door opener can, given monism, and given stigmergy, be thought of as a communication from me to some far future civilization, for example... or as a way to tell GE how to build a better one, or whatever. But it's not. Sometimes a garage door opener is just a garage door opener. It's completely useless to expand every artifact out into a kind of communication.
So, sometimes a programmed computer is communication and sometimes it's not. Talk concretely about what you want to talk about and the conversation will be more productive. On 1/27/21 12:05 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > You missed the conditional. "Absent dualism..." what separates getting a > machine to do something from getting a human to do something? If you answer > is "dualism", then there's no need to talk further. We've been there, done > that! -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/