I think of the "experience being with other people" as sort of like how my 
herding dog follows me from room to room.   There's a knob in her head that is 
set to keep a visual distance with her people.   It's what she expects and it 
comes from her breed.   It's not the result of a dynamical system that occurs 
has occurred on the timescale of her life.    It is a reductionist/thin/flat 
explanation for the dog and the basketball player and the choir singer.  

On 1/16/19, 3:56 PM, "uǝlƃ ☣" <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote:

    That's fine.  But it doesn't directly address the point.  Is 
experience-being-with-other-people really an "attractor" in the sense we 
usually use that term?  I don't think so.  I think the normal (complexity 
fanboi) sense of "attractor" is at least somewhat reductionist/thin/flat and 
not commensurate with phrases like "experience being with other people".
    
    If we simply decided these things are not attractors, then I think my 
problem dissolves.
    
    On 1/16/19 2:45 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
    > Some people participate in intramural sports or sing in a choir.    Such 
participation isn't about being the best at the sport, or aspiring to be the 
most talented musician.  As far as I can tell, they just like performing with 
other people.   It is about experience and participation.  It is an excuse to 
get together.   It is about being around people they recognize as similar to 
them.   (I feel like Commander Data observing the behavior of humans here..)
    
    
    -- 
    ☣ uǝlƃ
    
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