One should mention that in 13 years living here I've only seen 3
recluses, and those not in the same year.
Black Widows, however, are a commodity item. Fortunately they're more
brazen and thus much easier to avoid.
On 10/11/10 12:16 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
Pamela,
I stand corrected and warned.
Given that the Hospital here is such a mixed bag, I wonder if the
collective wisdom of this list might produce a "spider bite center" in
the country which one could call into if needed. I am terrified for
the children. What did the healer do? Does your techie still have
his hand? I found the loving descriptions of progressive necrosis on
the web particularly alarming.
Nick
*From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com]
*On Behalf Of *Pamela McCorduck
*Sent:* Monday, October 11, 2010 11:02 AM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider
One of my computer techies was bitten by a brown recluse in El Dorado.
All the rest is true--no help from the hospital, a wound that grew and
grew. Finally he found a local folk healer who helped. He was very
skeptical but by then desperate. I've been banging my open hand first
against anything I needed to probe into, from the wires behind my
computer (which is where his was lurking) to the woodpile, to... They
are shy and would rather run away, but if startled, will bite.
On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
Carl, it never occurred to me to confide in my spiders. I will
reconsider that policy on your recommendation.
According to my books, the brown recluse doesn't make it beyond the
100^th meridian (blood or otherwise). She has a local cousin, "desert
recluse" or some such whose bite is not a problem.
What I learned from the brief reading on the I-net and elsewhere is
that there are no medical miracles to deal with these bites. I had
always assumed I would rush down to St. Vincents, and if I got there
soon enough, they would give me a shot, and that would be the end of
it. Apparently not so. Particularly if children are bitten.
Nick
*From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>
[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Tollander
*Sent:* Friday, October 08, 2010 10:23 PM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider
Black Widows - Shiny long legs, hourglass on back - worry some, as
they can get agressive and the bites are persistently painful.
Ubiquitous and the big one's can be resilient against 2x4's. They
make more. Lots more.
Brown Recluse - All brown, hides in slight creases on a newspaper -
worry more due to cellular toxins.
Wolf - Short legs, big body - not so much worry, just don't mess with
it. They do bite, but they keep to themselves unless molested. I
call the one over my front door "Kong". From the description,
probably what you have.
Everything else, leave 'em be, they're beneficial, bites not fun but
not dangerous, probably. Good listeners.
On 10/8/10 7:59 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:
Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about
spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on
the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat
circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle,
during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the
size from the tines of the dining fork. I think they are big. I've
not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come
any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?
Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.
Thanks,
Robert C
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