Aren't these a bit different than conversations about race?
In all the cases below, there were wars involved, and the conquerers
did not trouble themselves about conversations about race.
-- Owen
On Nov 13, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
And the Moors. Don't forget the Moors.
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Robert Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>wrote:
And the Vikings. Mustn't forget the Vikings -- Robert
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Robert Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>wrote:
IMHO, the notion that europeans are "relative newcomers to the
conversation about race" is just plain silly. The UK has been
colonized by
the Romans, the Jutes, the Angles, the Saxons and the French.
We've been
having conversations about race for a *very* long time.
Robert
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Owen Densmore
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
Just to let Doug know the US is not the only bastion of idiots:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96949439
Bigotry, apparently, is not uncommon in Europe.
I was surprised by Julian Bond's statement. He's both insightful
and
knowledgeable.
"The big difference here is that the United States has been
thinking
about and dealing with race since we were founded. These
countries in Europe
are relative newcomers to the conversation about race. They are
much less
familiar with confronting their own bigotry." Bond adds, "I have
always
thought that European countries are more bigoted than the U.S."
I recall considering leaving the US after Bush was elected. I
thought
about the problems I'd seen in Italy and elsewhere, and decided
that there
just might be as many problems outside the Bubba infested US as in.
I think of Europe as being more sophisticated, certainly in
lifestyle.
But then my sampling is biased. But if I think of my friends
here, I see
the same sophistication. Hard for me to say if Bond has it right.
I'd be interested in our European Friamers observations.
-- Owen
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