And the Moors.  Don't forget the Moors.

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Robert Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> And the Vikings. Mustn't forget the Vikings -- Robert
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> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Robert Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
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>> IMHO, the notion that europeans are "relative newcomers to the
>> conversation about race" is just plain silly. The UK has been colonized by
>> the Romans, the Jutes, the Angles, the Saxons and the French. We've been
>> having conversations about race for a *very* long time.
>>
>> Robert
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>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Owen Densmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
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>>> Just to let Doug know the US is not the only bastion of idiots:
>>>  http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96949439
>>> Bigotry, apparently, is not uncommon in Europe.
>>>
>>> I was surprised by Julian Bond's statement.  He's both insightful and
>>> knowledgeable.
>>>    "The big difference here is that the United States has been thinking
>>> about and dealing with race since we were founded. These countries in Europe
>>> are relative newcomers to the conversation about race. They are much less
>>> familiar with confronting their own bigotry."  Bond adds, "I have always
>>> thought that European countries are more bigoted than the U.S."
>>>
>>> I recall considering leaving the US after Bush was elected.  I thought
>>> about the problems I'd seen in Italy and elsewhere, and decided that there
>>> just might be as many problems outside the Bubba infested US as in.
>>>
>>> I think of Europe as being more sophisticated, certainly in lifestyle.
>>>  But then my sampling is biased.  But if I think of my friends here, I see
>>> the same sophistication.  Hard for me to say if Bond has it right.
>>>
>>> I'd be interested in our European Friamers observations.
>>>
>>>    -- Owen
>>>
>>>
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