On Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 1:13:00 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Jun 2019, at 16:52, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > If an ARM processor running any ARM code [ http://www.toves.org/books/arm/ ] > program is ever conscious, or a computer consisting of 10^10 ARM processors > running multiprocessor ARM code is ever conscious them the > "computationalist theory of mind" holds. If not, it doesn’t. > > > The point is that elementary arithmetic run, out of tie and space, in the > precise mathematical sense of “run”, all programs, infinitely often with a > precise mathematical redundancy, and once you agree that such 10^100 ARM > processor are conscious, they get the same problem as us, which > computations run them. By reasoning they know that below their substitution > level there should be a complex statistics on *all* computations, and > above, there are the laws of physics and finitely many universal > neighbours. > > Keep in mind that all universal system can imitate all other universal > system. That play a role in metaphysics, not in applications. > > I read a summary of a paper justifying the (rather complex and mysterious) > kinetic of enzymes by the fact that some could exploits some quantum > computation. That could lower down the substitution level a lot and 10^10 > ARM might not been enough, if the substitution level is at the biochemical > level. But again, the weak Mechanist assumption I work with is that it > exists such a level (being totally neutral on it in particular). > > Bruno > > I think I meant 10^100 (vs. 10^10 I wrote, or rather size - in this case - doesn't matter). And the ARMs could be replaced by QuARMs (ARMs w/qubits). It still would not have the *experientiality* of biocomputers.
But the idea of computing as *elementary arithmetic run, out of time and space, in the precise mathematical sense of “run”, all programs, infinitely often with a precise mathematical redundancy is* certainly a 'Platonic' or immaterially pure idea of computing (and of course I call it 'fictional', but that's OK). But following Donald Rumsfeld, *you compute with the computers you have *(the stuff engineers can use to make ''computers' - of whatever materials, including *biomaterials*), *not with the computers * you don't have (Platonic arithmetic). @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/38877786-b8bd-4f71-adf1-f1d70249bbfe%40googlegroups.com.
