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> On Mar 16, 2023, at 10:02 AM, EV List Lackey via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
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> On 15 Mar 2023 at 17:27, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
>
>> You may not like Elon Musk ...
>
> Uh, yeah, but you knew that. :-\
>
> But while that might affect what *I* do, I still consider Tesla a valuable
> part of the EV scene and appreciate their pushing the segment forward.
>
> That said ...
>
>> but his mission to clean up the Earth is working despite his negative
>> image.
>
> You're welcome to see it that way; but sorry, I don't buy it.
>
> If Musk really means the talk about "mission" (and I don't believe for a
> second that any environmental "mission" is more important to him than his
> own wealth), he needs to quit making like Scrooge McDuck and start offering
> EVs that people below the upper middle class can afford.
>
> A lot of us with well under 6-figure incomes are still saying, "So where's
> OUR Tesla?" Even if Tesla had actually offered a Model 3 for the $35k that
> he promised (which he apparently sort of did, for something like a month or
> two), $35k would STILL be more money than a heck of a lot of us can afford
> for a car.
>
> Bully for Tesla if the 3 or Y is #1 or #2 or whatever in European EV sales.
> Do you know what was the fastest selling vehicle in Europe in Janiuary? The
> Dacia Sandero, a plain vanilla supermini (B-segment) hatch.
>
> The reason is that it's cheap. You get a lot for your money. Normal
> working people can afford it.
>
> Like Hyundai 40+ years ago, Dacia (a Renault division based in Romania)
> builds cars based on older designs and long-since amortized parts. That
> keeps their costs low.
>
> And what do you know, rather than *raising* their prices like Tesla did as
> their costs fell (only to oops-discount them when their sales here fell),
> Dacia sells their cars at affordable prices. How about that?
>
> Right now I'm driving a rented Dacia Spring EV. I'll write more on it
> later, but for now I have to say that for an EV that costs about half what a
> heavily discounted Tesla 3 costs, it's a bloody decent city car.
>
> OK, range is limited. The car estimates around 180km on a full charge, and
> I believe it, though I haven't pushed it that far to be sure. Fast charging
> is limited to 35kw, though that's not really all that slow for a battery
> with 25kw of usable capacity.
>
> But as I said, it's a city car. It's not meant for long distance travel.
> Though it *can* be used that way if you're willing to make a few extra
> stops.
>
> It's not luxurious. The seats are plain vinyl-covered foam slabs. It has
> halogen headlights. It's small (actually an asset on these narrow medieval
> alleyways). It doesn't attempt to drive itself. It doesn't stand up,
> unlock itself, and whistle La Marseillaise at you when you walk up to it.
> But gets you (well, me) where you (well, I) want to go.
>
> And normal working folk can afford an EV that costs about 16k euros after
> the French direct subsidy.
>
> When Musk delivers an EV in that price range, or even something close to it,
> we'll talk about his commitment to putting people in EVs. Until then, as
> far as I'm concerned, he's just blowing (toxic) smoke.
>
> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey
>
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