Paul,

I'm not sure of your point here or where you get your data.

A 72 VW "micro-bus" got around 20 mpg (less than a Subaru Forester, replete with airbags, crumple zones, and cup holders) and was one of the most dangerous vehicles on the road. A simple panic stop could put an unbelted driver through the windshield. Having busted my knuckles under too many 40 yr old cars to count I can tell you that few would allow installation of pollution controls without a major rebuild. Modern cars get roughly 2X the horsepower per cylinder displacement of even the most steroid pumped 60's muscle car. The impetus for this advancement came during the 70's oil embargo when engineers tried to squeeze as much energy as they could from a gallon gas. To accomplish this compression ratios were increased, cylinder heads were completely redesigned, additional intake and/or exhaust valves and spark plugs were added, carburetors were replaced with fuel injection and distributors with computers. To do that to a VW Bus would cost more than a TOYOTA 4 Runner. The benefit was not only increased fuel mileage but greatly decreased hydrocarbon emissions.

But I don't think any of this was the topic of the McDonough thread: Does replacing you 10 yr old car with a hybrid reduce your carbon footprint?

David Bryant

On Feb 28, 2008, at 3:25 PM, Paul Cherubini wrote:

In Cuba it's routine to see 40-60 year old cars on the road.
Cuban's realize a car's body and frame can last indefinately
and all the drivetrain and suspension componets can be
replaced as they wear out. Modern components such as
engines with emission controls can also be installed
in these old vehicles.

But I don't believe the ecologists and environmental activists
in the first world countries could stomach driving 30 year
old, let alone 50 year old vehicles for a variety of comfort and
convenience reasons such as: they can't accelerate and corner
fast, they take some muscle to steer and brake (no power
steering or power brakes) must be manually shifted, don't
have air bags, crash protection beams in the doors and so forth.

Practical example: 30-40 years ago the standard workhorse
field vehicle for an ecologist was a Volkswagen Bus with a
4 cylinder engine, manual transmission, no air conditioning,
marginal high speed cornering capability and took 25 seconds
to accelerate from 0 - 60 MPH. Despite it's substantial size and
interior roominess, a VW Bus weighed only 3000 pounds because
it wasn't burdened with all the comfort, convenience and safety
features todays ecologists and activists demand such as a
powerful engine, all wheel drive, automatic transmission,
power steering, power brakes, air conditioning, heavy steel
beams in the doors and dashboard for crash protection, and
so forth.  Now ask yourself: would today's ecologists and
activists in the first world countries be enthusiastically willing
to buy old VW Buses instead of heavy and powerful Subaru's
4Runners and Jeeps to help save the planet if the VW's were
still available?

I think Exxon executives know the answer to that question and
that's why Exxon predicts the world demand for petroleum and
associated carbon emissions will continue to increase for the
next 30 years.

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.

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