I thought I made my objections pretty clear in my original email but I'll
attempt to be more pedantic about it now. The specific language in the PR
86 is:
"In addition, violations of this code outside these spaces may affect a
person's ability to participate within them." for both faq.html and
index.html.
I disagree with your assertion "that only makes explicit something that was
already the case" because that's a) not how I read it and b) completely
impossible to reasonably enforce or expect. I hope that what is occurring is
simply a matter of "I don't think it means what you think it means" but
what you're really saying here is that all people on this planet must
comply with our "code of conduct" at all times in all places or risk being
removed from our community - right after, mind you ironically, claiming to
support an encourage the participation of all individuals. So what is this
code of conduct that we're imposing on all of humanity for the salvation of
the world? Fortunately there is, literally, a list:
<ul>
<li>Violent threats or language directed against another person.</li>
<li>Sexist, racist, or otherwise discriminatory jokes and language.</li>
<li>Posting sexually explicit or violent material.</li>
<li>Posting (or threatening to post) other people's personally
identifying information ("doxing").</li>
<li>Personal insults, especially those using racist or sexist
terms.</li>
<li>Unwelcome sexual attention.</li>
<li>Advocating for, or encouraging, any of the above behavior.</li>
<li>Repeated harassment of others. In general, if someone asks you to
stop, then stop.</li>
</ul>
So lets see... anyone who has done any of the following completely outside
the context of the Django community or forums is now not welcome to
participate:
1) Ever threatened to or actually spank their children.
2) Ever used violence or threat there-of to defend another person from same.
3) Ever posted a naked or somewhat explicit picture of themselves or others
in a private message to another person or in a forum, such as a photo site
like flickr.
4) Dox'd a person who is clearly engaging in criminal activity under a
pretense of anonymity.
5) Ever repeated a joke with sexual or racial content.
6) Ever asked someone out or complemented another person on their looks who
didn't want it.
7) Said it's ok for someone to do any of the above.
8) Said or did it twice.
Seriously?!?! This *is* really what you're saying. (BTW - I've done all of
the above at one time or another so ban me now.)
Of course some of these (but not all - and it depends a lot about whom) may
seem outrageous but they are true to the letter of the code of conduct. I
agree these things probably don't belong in the context of a Django
discussion or group but I do not believe you can enforce elimination this
conduct outside of same. And - then there's just the ability to agree to
disagree. One can very credibly argue that many religions or political
philosophies are racist, sexist, etc. Are all practicing members of same
now banned from participation in Django? This RP language says yes.
Now that I have, again, been responsive to your dismissal of my objections,
please do me the courtesy of re-reading my original (and this) email and
attempt to be responsive to it's content.
thank you,
-- Ben Scherrey
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 3:04 AM, Daniele Procida <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014, Benjamin Scherrey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Nothing you've written disagrees with what I said, nor do you address
> >the core concern I bring up about the "change of substance" which is chock
> >full of opportunities for the law of unintended consequences to come up
> and
> >bite us all.
>
> What in your opinion is (or was) the "change of substance" in <
> https://github.com/django/djangoproject.com/pull/86>?
>
> I didn't see any but a very minor one, that only makes explicit something
> that was already the case.
>
> >Re-reading the existing documents, I find that this language
> >introduces an entirely different tone to the language of these policies
> >and, again, implies some dangerous precedents beyond what the writers may
> >intend.
>
> Which language in pull request 86?
>
> Daniele
>
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