@Joan - Thanks for asking for clarification, to me preaching means "living by our ideologies" and helping others understand and support them. The word does not have a negative connotation to me since I translated it from Spanish.
Alex, you got my point right, thank you for articulate them well. *From: *Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> *Date: *Tue, May 14, 2019, 12:32 AM *To: *diversity@apache.org I'm definitely not an expert in this area, but want to share some thoughts: > > 1) If this group wants to be open and transparent then the number of > mailing lists will not matter. Trolls will find any public mailing list. > Well-intentioned newbies will not understand which list to choose from. > They'll just pick one. So we might as well just have one list for now. > > 2) IMO, "Patience" has two meanings: a) waiting, and b) not reacting. I > don't think Gris meant that we should wait out the trolls and keep > answering them. Instead, each troll should be seen as an opportunity to > practice and hone a proper response that shuts down the troll and allows > everyone else to continue making progress. IMO, I still see too much > reacting on this list. Reacting is what the trolls want from us. They > want you to divert your energy to them. The trolls will not go away > anytime soon. I think we'll be better off expecting that some of our > energy will be diverted by trolls and spend some energy on minimizing how > much energy goes to them. The FAQ will hopefully help in that regard. > > My 2 cents, > -Alex > > On 5/13/19, 2:38 PM, "Matt Sicker" <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > And patience is fairly difficult when dealing with obvious concern > trolls. > That has been especially annoying on members@, board@, etc, where > we’re > supposed to assume good faith. However, only one side in the game > takes a > loss when doing so in an iterated game. I’d rather not summarize the > depressing relationship between game theory and discourse, but I hope > you > get the idea. > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 16:29, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > As a project, it could use dev@ and user@ like typical projects. > User > > list for questions, dev list for research and actions. It sort of > makes > > sense. > > > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 16:23, Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > >> On 2019-05-13 16:37, Griselda Cuevas wrote: > >> > Teaching by preaching is what will earn us respect, credibility > and > >> > authority to speak of this topic. > >> > >> Gris, can I ask what you mean by "preaching" in this context? > >> > >> For me this has a very negative connotation and feels out of place > in a > >> secular organisation such as the ASF. > >> > >> -Joan > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org > >> > >> -- > > Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> > > > -- > Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> > > >
