I think there is already evidence that we need separate lists. We have
two populations that need to be kept apart:
1. People who are so sick of answering the same questions time after
time that they are unlikely to exercise patience, tact, and diplomacy
when faced with them yet again on their working mailing list.
2. People who think their questions about D&I are new and would like
them answered.
We really need to get Group 2 into a mailing list that Group 1 can
ignore. People like me who are relatively new to this can handle Group 2
more gently, which may help the politics in the long term.
Here are a couple of alternative names:
diversity-doing (we are supposed to be a do-ocracy, so doing something
about diversity should be OK)
diversity-working-group (specifically for the committee and those of us
who are trying to help them by doing some of the work).
On 5/13/2019 11:53 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
-0 on separate lists until we need them rather than think we will.
-1 on diveristy-action as a name, as we are seeing people worry that D&I means creating
rules and regulations by which others must conform. This creates tension and defensive
behavior. The word "action" will reinforce this assumption.
Ross
________________________________
From: Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 11:45 AM
To: diversity@apache.org
Subject: Re: FAQ and education mailing list
I am going to start the FAQ discussion, using [FAQ] as tag, without
waiting for a new list, but will move it if and when there is a more
appropriate mailing list.
Meanwhile, I have a radical alternative suggestion on mailing list
names. No matter what we do, I am afraid you will get the frequent
questions on diversity@. As an alternative split, create a list
diversity-action@ for those who have already decided action is
appropriate, and want to get on with doing it. Anything related to
diversity would be on-topic on diversity@. Only threads about
diversity-related actions would be on-topic on diversity-action@.
On 5/13/2019 11:31 AM, Naomi Slater wrote:
I don't think that a [FAQ] tag solves the problem we're trying to address
here. which, as far as I understand it, is that this list is likely to see
a lot of threads that may ultimately hamper the work we're trying
to accomplish
in a sense, we *want* to bifurcate the community. i.e., we want to be able
to say "this isn't an appropriate thread for this list, please take it to
diversity-meta@" and be quite firm about shunting that stuff off
we need to prioritize maintaining an (emotionally) safe and stress-free
environment on this list (diversity@). and I can't over-emphasize how much
we put that at risk if we allow meta discussion to take place here
On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 19:50, Ross Gardler
<ross.gard...@microsoft.com.invalid> wrote:
+1 to not another list, use subject tag "[FAQ]"
________________________________
From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 10:30 AM
To: diversity@apache.org
Subject: Re: FAQ and education mailing list
Hi,
On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 5:19 PM Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> wrote:
...I don't want my FAQ-collection effort to get in the way of getting
things done on diversity@. For that reason, I suggest creation of a
mailing list diversity_education@a.o...
I disagree with Yet Another List as it tends to fragment a community,
and this one is not too large.
We can use [FAQ] in email subject lines to differentiate while keeping
others aware of what's going on.
There are more words about this in Stefano Mazzocchi's "we love busy
lists" message that I relayed at
https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgrep.codeconsult.ch%2F2011%2F12%2F06%2Fstefanos-mazzocchis-busy-list-pattern%2F&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C041cc0d04b454c62dd3308d6d7d32df4%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=WpF07eePGlezaw3ytwkx03e%2FoLZ%2FRT%2BFl4Hp4gmKoWI%3D&reserved=0
-Bertrand
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