On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 8:45 PM Griselda Cuevas <g...@google.com.invalid> wrote:
> Hi everyone, > > I agree with Naomi that there are two "personas" who might be interested in > our work > > A) the ones who want to learn > B) the ones championing work > Also hopefully people in A move to B - perhaps a good reason for a single list. I'm definitely need to learn bu I believe absolutely in D&I. Also, lets see if theres a troll problem first because perhaps it wont turn out to be a big issue. Niall "who just joined the diversity list" Pemberton > > For A) I'd suggest we publish a FAQs in the wiki as Joan suggested for now. > > I'm a +1 for Patricia to start curating the FAQ content and publishing it > in the wiki. > > I'm a -0 on creating a new list for now, we don't have traction yet to do > this. When we start to see more topics been discussed we can open spaces as > needed. > > I see the point of avoiding trolls, but running away from them or removing > them to another space is not yet the fight I choose to fight. I rather give > us the time to deal with them publicly to set the tone of what discussions > we want and can have. > > > > > *From: *Ross Gardler <ross.gard...@microsoft.com.invalid> > *Date: *Mon, May 13, 2019, 1:53 PM > *To: *diversity@apache.org > > -0 on separate lists until we need them rather than think we will. > > > > -1 on diveristy-action as a name, as we are seeing people worry that D&I > > means creating rules and regulations by which others must conform. This > > creates tension and defensive behavior. The word "action" will reinforce > > this assumption. > > > > Ross > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> > > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 11:45 AM > > To: diversity@apache.org > > Subject: Re: FAQ and education mailing list > > > > I am going to start the FAQ discussion, using [FAQ] as tag, without > > waiting for a new list, but will move it if and when there is a more > > appropriate mailing list. > > > > Meanwhile, I have a radical alternative suggestion on mailing list > > names. No matter what we do, I am afraid you will get the frequent > > questions on diversity@. As an alternative split, create a list > > diversity-action@ for those who have already decided action is > > appropriate, and want to get on with doing it. Anything related to > > diversity would be on-topic on diversity@. Only threads about > > diversity-related actions would be on-topic on diversity-action@. > > > > > > On 5/13/2019 11:31 AM, Naomi Slater wrote: > > > I don't think that a [FAQ] tag solves the problem we're trying to > address > > > here. which, as far as I understand it, is that this list is likely to > > see > > > a lot of threads that may ultimately hamper the work we're trying > > > to accomplish > > > > > > in a sense, we *want* to bifurcate the community. i.e., we want to be > > able > > > to say "this isn't an appropriate thread for this list, please take it > to > > > diversity-meta@" and be quite firm about shunting that stuff off > > > > > > we need to prioritize maintaining an (emotionally) safe and stress-free > > > environment on this list (diversity@). and I can't over-emphasize how > > much > > > we put that at risk if we allow meta discussion to take place here > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 19:50, Ross Gardler > > > <ross.gard...@microsoft.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > > >> +1 to not another list, use subject tag "[FAQ]" > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org> > > >> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 10:30 AM > > >> To: diversity@apache.org > > >> Subject: Re: FAQ and education mailing list > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 5:19 PM Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> > wrote: > > >>> ...I don't want my FAQ-collection effort to get in the way of getting > > >>> things done on diversity@. For that reason, I suggest creation of a > > >>> mailing list diversity_education@a.o... > > >> > > >> I disagree with Yet Another List as it tends to fragment a community, > > >> and this one is not too large. > > >> > > >> We can use [FAQ] in email subject lines to differentiate while keeping > > >> others aware of what's going on. > > >> > > >> There are more words about this in Stefano Mazzocchi's "we love busy > > >> lists" message that I relayed at > > >> > > >> > > > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgrep.codeconsult.ch%2F2011%2F12%2F06%2Fstefanos-mazzocchis-busy-list-pattern%2F&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C041cc0d04b454c62dd3308d6d7d32df4%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=WpF07eePGlezaw3ytwkx03e%2FoLZ%2FRT%2BFl4Hp4gmKoWI%3D&reserved=0 > > >> > > >> -Bertrand > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org > > > > >
