> Please spell it out. Just what are the "demands" of the coup? > > Foremost, (#1) no power (no voice) for the founder of the movement: > > > https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/private/discussion/2022-March/001137.html > > > You need to understand: my message is that this KEEPS HAPPENING. > > This WILL KEEP HAPPENING, because this is not a coup anymore-- it is an > occupation. >
This is what I mean about the need for a team who understand strategy. The Open Sourcers had this all planned well before the so-called "coup". The coup was only part of the plan. It was clear to me that all those Red Hat developers, the GUIX clan etc had all been briefed beforehand, then fell in step at the appointed time. > According to Leah it is happening again. It could change, but it probably > won't-- Leah is probably right. This sort of thing is to be expected. > > This sort of thing is evidence of corruption. There is more. > > > If so, this could only be because his army of Free Software supporters > have not been giving sufficient support. > > > Like I've said, his followers are partly to blame. But I blame the > occupation more for attacking. I blame the rest for not standing up to the > attackers, but the attackers are more at fault. > Obviously the attackers are at fault - like Russia attacking Ukraine. But if the USA and Europe don't provide Ukraine with enough support for its defence, then Russia will succeed. RMS' followers are to blame for not providing sufficient support. > This is not a hard rule. I don't blame every victim for being attacked, > it's usually not a good idea to do so. But we are talking about thousands > of people, MOST OF WHOM look the other way or make excuses for what has > happened. Don't expect these "thousands of people" to take a stand unless there is organised leadership against the attackers. It's human nature. Someone needs to build a team and chart a plan. You are clearly a supporter, and we go in circles as if all of > this hasn't already happened. > I don't mean to be going in circles. I'm more isolated than most and not hearing much about what's going on except from the discussions on these lists. I'm also engrossed fighting my own war. > At least I don't need to convince you that what happened was wrong. But > it's odd that I have to go to such lengths (again and again and again) to > convince you that something is still wrong. More evidence this month. > Maybe Stallman's busy? I don't know, but this is to be expected. > I'm convinced. I just don't know the facts and details. > > The momentum needed is a grass roots movement with traction! > > I actually said to Stallman just before his "return": you should fork the > Free Software movement with a greater focus on grassroots and less > organisational focus. > We can provide the fork ourselves. RMS will automatically come along as he is the founder of Free Software. > He asked "What would that look like?" It was my mistake to ignore the > question. > It's too late now ... > It's not too late. It's about recovering from an attack, planning and executing the next line of defence. We won't win by surrendering. > We need the corporate savvy of the Free Software equivalent of a Jim > Whitehurst > > GOOD LORD! He's the enemy! You want to put the revolution in a suit and > tie, go ahead. I DON'T THINK YOU DO, but Whitehurst? That's crazy talk. > You misunderstand. We are being threatened by corporations. We don't need Whitehurst himself. But our defence must come from a number of fronts. We need suits who understand corporations, logistics experts, infantry, air brigades etc etc :-) > In fact he refuses to acknowledge his defeat! Perhaps because he plans to win and needs his supporters - like you - to help him figure out how. > > You need to Identify a team. > > I have a team. They're all pro-Stallman. Most are also anti-FSF, because > the "real" FSF isn't coming back any sooner than the real Stallman is. > Perhaps we need RMS as president of a new organisation - the FFS "Foundation for Free Software"? > I've seen the real Stallman-- he kicks arse. This one is beaten, but he > doesn't see it. That's good in some ways, I'm happy if he doesn't feel > beaten. But I think he has Stockholm Syndrome, and that's bad both > psychologically and it's bad for the movement. > Don't underestimate the man. He may be looking for support. Provide it! > Being anti-FSF is not a requirement. Being realistic about the state of > the FSF at least, is necessary to make any real progress. There's enough > Devil's advocate to raise Hell already. > This is a pointless insult-- > No insult intended. > Rather, it seems like a very uphill battle to convince you this is > possible at the > FSF. I think the possibility is worth exploring: > No uphill battle at all. You convinced me long ago. We only disagree on strategy. > Note that Google gave significant funds the FSF as well. > > Further, IBM withdrew funding WE (the public) DIDN'T EVEN KNOW EXISTED > until they withdrew it! > > IBM is the PHYSICAL (infrastructure) steward / maintainer of GCC! And GDB! > > And AFTER "the coup" in Sept 2019, people from Red Hat (now IBM) CONTINUED > to attack Stallman's (one person said "imaginary") position within GCC. > > So you're ignoring (or unaware) of a lot of what's going on. > Unaware. As I mentioned, I'm pretty much isolated and also caught up in my own war. > The more important point is that there more than enough evidence to > SUSPECT corruption of a financial nature. > > Some people are likely to find proof, where I simply smell something > rotten. > I smelt it from the beginning. I could see it was about big business attempting to take over and commercialise Free Software. > Something to think about: the same year that LiePlanet first openly > attacked Stallman, the FSF received not one, but TWO donations of 1 > million dollars each. This was also the same year that Microsoft purchased > Github. > > Coincidence? > > Point being, SHE created an outstanding chart of corporate influence of > Free Software. If I had it handy, (it's been a year or so) I would put the > URL here: > > > I hope it is possible to explore this theme (not that it will necessarily > help-- it could, I'm not very optimistic about it) without more ad hom > Now that's an insult. You misread my intent. > > The first priority should be RMS' reinstatement as FSF President. > > I'm not sure that will help, for a variety of reasons. I'm also not > against it! > He should by all rights still have that position. In this regard I'm > completely in favour of his reinstatement, I > simply doubt it will help. > > > Kat Walsh is a huge disappointment for the terms of her resignation from > the board. I'm not optimistic, but I presume she is not pro-Stallman. Mako is similarly a disappointment. I thought he would probably be the > next Stallman-- but that was a very long time ago. > >From what I read at TechRights and other places, my understanding is that those who were anti-Stallman resigned. > > He will be better positioned then to eventually search for a suitable > successor > > As a rule, he would be. This was my own argument as far back as 2018-- > that although he should step down ... he should also be DIRECTLY in charge > of finding a successor. > > > What I see happening is an entire organisation (give or take a few > exceptions) moving to gaslight rms. > You are welcome to feel otherwise, but it makes me wonder what level of > evidence it would take to make you more open-minded about it! > > > There are ways to get "on the side that's winning". Recruit and build a > team. > > A team of whom? Of what? > > But seriously-- where do you suggest one FIND such a "team", other than > the one I have already? > You said you already had a team. Include people like Daniel who have a stake in preserving the Free Software Movement. Discuss, plan, strategise. You will find a solution. Adrienne -- Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN! References: 1. GNU C-Graph: http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph 2. Code Art Now: http://codeartnow.com 3. Abertheid Campaign: http://www.abertheid.info/icc/pre-indictment-brief-05.10.2006.pdf 4. Follow me on Twitter: @AdrienneGT <http://twitter.com/adriennegt> @GNUcgraph <http://twitter.com/GNUcgraph> 5. Let's Link Up: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/ 6. Knees On My Neck: https://twitter.com/AdrienneGT/status/1288648018783277068 7. Rise Up for Richard Stallman: https://www.stallmansupport.org
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