On Mon, Nov 11, 2024 at 12:06 PM Fabio Valentini <decatho...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2024, 18:52 Mattia Verga via devel > <devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: >> >> Il 11/11/24 12:12, Kalev Lember ha scritto: >> >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2024 at 12:05 PM Neal Gompa <ngomp...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2024 at 5:59 AM Lukas Ruzicka <lruzi...@redhat.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, I am very sad about this step and I feel very sorry that you are >>>> trying to remove the word karma from the process. I believe that Karma >>>> denotes one of the most powerful, the most noble, and the most fair >>>> principles of this world, because traditionally it is above this world. >>>> Kudos, or anything you have suggested, is far less. >>>> >>>> The Linux world has always had a kind of "lore" with interesting project >>>> names, acronyms, which mostly were made up as "pun intended". I do not >>>> understand why anybody has an urge to take this away. >>>> >>>> Please, think twice about it, because the world will always get you people >>>> that want to diminish the meaning of your contribution to the project by >>>> claiming that your work is not noble/tolerant/clean/you-name-it enough. >>>> Once you take a step back, they will take up new positions and they'll >>>> start pushing again. >>> >>> >>> I am also personally disappointed in this. Draining the personality away >>> from things we make just makes it less fun and interesting. ☹️ >> >> >> I'd much rather keep the existing karma terminology as well. I hope it is >> not a final decision to change it. >> >> -- >> Kalev >> >> The original request to change the term "karma" in Bodhi was >> https://github.com/fedora-infra/bodhi/issues/4321 >> >> I see some points which are in favor to the renaming: >> - we are using the term like a "joke" while it has religious connotations. >> - even not considering that, we are misusing the concept of karma (as I >> understand it): giving positive karma to an update doesn't give back >> positive karma on your own update, and vice versa. >> - the third, which is why I agree with the change (I told you I'm not >> interested in being politically correct...), is that I saw multiple times >> new users confused by the terminology "give karma to the update". >> >> I'm not sure who has to decide whether to rename the terminology or not. >> I've started to work on that task and already merged minor changes (renamed >> BugKarma and TestCaseKarma classes, which are mostly in the backend and not >> visible by end users), but I can always stop and wait for more feedback. >> >> I could also continue to ignore the change request and leave that >> unanswered, after all I'm just a contributor to Bodhi code... the real >> problem is I don't know who's in charge to make decisions on such changes. >> But as I said I quite agree with renaming the term. > > > One problem I see with using a neutral term like "feedback" is that it's ... > well, *too* generic. I would argue that commenting on an update constitutes > giving "feedback" too, for example. Renaming "karma" to feedback would lose > the "voting" part of the whole process. > > I think "upvote" / "downvote" (like on Reddit) or "kudos" would make it much > more clear that some kind of tally is involved, while generic "feedback" does > not (at least not to me as a non-native speaker). > > Fabio > > >> Mattia >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Fedora Code of Conduct: >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Do not reply to spam, report it: >> https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue > > -- > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
I'm with Fabio, upvote/downvote makes way more sense than the existing term of karma, or the other suggestions in this thread. I think it would be easily understandable for newcomers and could help encourage more participation in the testing feedback process. We could reference the cumulative total as the score or points. -- Carl George -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
