On Mon, Nov 11, 2024, 18:52 Mattia Verga via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Il 11/11/24 12:12, Kalev Lember ha scritto: > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2024 at 12:05 PM Neal Gompa <ngomp...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2024 at 5:59 AM Lukas Ruzicka <lruzi...@redhat.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Well, I am very sad about this step and I feel very sorry that you are >>> trying to remove the word karma from the process. I believe that Karma >>> denotes one of the most powerful, the most noble, and the most fair >>> principles of this world, because traditionally it is above this world. >>> Kudos, or anything you have suggested, is far less. >>> >>> The Linux world has always had a kind of "lore" with interesting project >>> names, acronyms, which mostly were made up as "pun intended". I do not >>> understand why anybody has an urge to take this away. >>> >>> Please, think twice about it, because the world will always get you >>> people that want to diminish the meaning of your contribution to the >>> project by claiming that your work is not noble/tolerant/clean/you-name-it >>> enough. Once you take a step back, they will take up new positions and >>> they'll start pushing again. >>> >> >> I am also personally disappointed in this. Draining the personality away >> from things we make just makes it less fun and interesting. ☹️ >> > > I'd much rather keep the existing karma terminology as well. I hope it is > not a final decision to change it. > > -- > Kalev > > The original request to change the term "karma" in Bodhi was > https://github.com/fedora-infra/bodhi/issues/4321 > > I see some points which are in favor to the renaming: > - we are using the term like a "joke" while it has religious connotations. > - even not considering that, we are misusing the concept of karma (as I > understand it): giving positive karma to an update doesn't give back > positive karma on your own update, and vice versa. > - the third, which is why I agree with the change (I told you I'm not > interested in being politically correct...), is that I saw multiple times > new users confused by the terminology "give karma to the update". > > I'm not sure who has to decide whether to rename the terminology or not. > I've started to work on that task and already merged minor changes (renamed > BugKarma and TestCaseKarma classes, which are mostly in the backend and not > visible by end users), but I can always stop and wait for more feedback. > > I could also continue to ignore the change request and leave that > unanswered, after all I'm just a contributor to Bodhi code... the real > problem is I don't know who's in charge to make decisions on such changes. > But as I said I quite agree with renaming the term. > One problem I see with using a neutral term like "feedback" is that it's ... well, *too* generic. I would argue that commenting on an update constitutes giving "feedback" too, for example. Renaming "karma" to feedback would lose the "voting" part of the whole process. I think "upvote" / "downvote" (like on Reddit) or "kudos" would make it much more clear that some kind of tally is involved, while generic "feedback" does not (at least not to me as a non-native speaker). Fabio Mattia > -- > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue >
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