You realize that no one else is going to update them, right?

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:03:02AM +0000, Alessandro Pilotti wrote:
> What if we simply add a folder with the Visual Studio build files to begin 
> with?
> 
> > On 26/nov/2013, at 01:29, "Ben Pfaff" <b...@nicira.com> wrote:
> > 
> > We're not switching to CMake.  If you have something to generate the
> > XML files you need, we'll check that in.
> > 
> >> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:23:37PM +0000, Alessandro Pilotti wrote:
> >> Visual Studio is the "de facto" IDE for Windows development. It provides 
> >> all the features you'd expect from a modern environment (integrated 
> >> debugger, refactoring tools, Git integration, syntax highlighting and a 
> >> gazillion additional features) and in general it allows to be a few orders 
> >> of magnitude more productive than a text editor and some command line 
> >> tools.
> >> 
> >> For other scenarios, e.g. Python or other interpreted dynamic languages, 
> >> I'm personally a great fan of simpler editors like Sublime, but I'd never 
> >> even think of working in C/C++/C#/Java/etc without an IDE and especially 
> >> an integrated debugger.
> >> 
> >> I can assure you that no Windows developer I ever met would ever accept to 
> >> jump back in time 20 years and use vi as her/his main productivity tool. 
> >> :-) If this port is meant to attract more Windows community contributors 
> >> then Visual Studio support is substantially mandatory.
> >> 
> >> Said that, if in your intentions the project is not meant to be developed 
> >> on Windows but only compiled to produce the binaries, well, makefiles are 
> >> enough. 
> >> 
> >> I suggest to take a tour of other well known cross platform projects and 
> >> see how those manage the Windows builds. You'll see that some of them 
> >> consider Windows as a platform for builds only (basically no development), 
> >> some use CMake to support all the required platforms (Qt5, MySQL, FreeRDP 
> >> come to mind) and some use separate build systems (CPython, Apache, just 
> >> to name a couple).
> >> 
> >> If you're interested we can record a quick webcast to show how to use 
> >> Visual Studio for Open vSwitch development activities. This might help in 
> >> clarifying some of the statements above.
> >> 
> >> As a final note, Visual Studio files are just XML files, so generating 
> >> them dynamically is not that complicated if we really have to.
> >> 
> >> Alessandro
> >> 
> >>> On 26/nov/2013, at 00:18, "Gurucharan Shetty" <shet...@nicira.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> 
> >>>> On Nov 25, 2013, at 5:05 PM, Jesse Gross <je...@nicira.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> They're the equivalent of makefiles for Visual Studio. Without them
> >>>> you can't use the Windows-native development tools so while it's not
> >>>> impossible to work it certainly makes life more difficult.
> >>> 
> >>> One can still edit the files using a vi editor (or any other simple 
> >>> editor)on windows and do a make. Probably the disadvantage is that you 
> >>> can't use visual studio ide to write code(?).
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Ben Pfaff <b...@nicira.com> wrote:
> >>>>> What I'm trying to get at is, what are the "solution and related
> >>>>> projects" good for?  The non-Windows world does fine without them, so
> >>>>> if "make" can work on Windows then why is the result "basically
> >>>>> useless for any practical development purpose"?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 04:50:40PM -0500, Ethan Jackson wrote:
> >>>>>> My understanding is that Guru is working on a solution to this
> >>>>>> problem.  What were your thoughts?
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Ethan
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Ben Pfaff <b...@nicira.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 08:11:00PM +0000, Alessandro Pilotti wrote:
> >>>>>>>> We did some testing with autoconf / automake on Windows. Makefiles
> >>>>>>>> are getting generated correctly although we cannot obviously verify
> >>>>>>>> the result with a full build since we didn?t port all the patches to
> >>>>>>>> the master branch yet.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> There?s anyway a huge limitation: it does not generate a Visual
> >>>>>>>> Studio solution and related projects, which means that it?s
> >>>>>>>> basically useless for any practical development purpose.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> What are those files good for?
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