What if we simply add a folder with the Visual Studio build files to begin with?

> On 26/nov/2013, at 01:29, "Ben Pfaff" <b...@nicira.com> wrote:
> 
> We're not switching to CMake.  If you have something to generate the
> XML files you need, we'll check that in.
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:23:37PM +0000, Alessandro Pilotti wrote:
>> Visual Studio is the "de facto" IDE for Windows development. It provides all 
>> the features you'd expect from a modern environment (integrated debugger, 
>> refactoring tools, Git integration, syntax highlighting and a gazillion 
>> additional features) and in general it allows to be a few orders of 
>> magnitude more productive than a text editor and some command line tools.
>> 
>> For other scenarios, e.g. Python or other interpreted dynamic languages, I'm 
>> personally a great fan of simpler editors like Sublime, but I'd never even 
>> think of working in C/C++/C#/Java/etc without an IDE and especially an 
>> integrated debugger.
>> 
>> I can assure you that no Windows developer I ever met would ever accept to 
>> jump back in time 20 years and use vi as her/his main productivity tool. :-) 
>> If this port is meant to attract more Windows community contributors then 
>> Visual Studio support is substantially mandatory.
>> 
>> Said that, if in your intentions the project is not meant to be developed on 
>> Windows but only compiled to produce the binaries, well, makefiles are 
>> enough. 
>> 
>> I suggest to take a tour of other well known cross platform projects and see 
>> how those manage the Windows builds. You'll see that some of them consider 
>> Windows as a platform for builds only (basically no development), some use 
>> CMake to support all the required platforms (Qt5, MySQL, FreeRDP come to 
>> mind) and some use separate build systems (CPython, Apache, just to name a 
>> couple).
>> 
>> If you're interested we can record a quick webcast to show how to use Visual 
>> Studio for Open vSwitch development activities. This might help in 
>> clarifying some of the statements above.
>> 
>> As a final note, Visual Studio files are just XML files, so generating them 
>> dynamically is not that complicated if we really have to.
>> 
>> Alessandro
>> 
>>> On 26/nov/2013, at 00:18, "Gurucharan Shetty" <shet...@nicira.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 25, 2013, at 5:05 PM, Jesse Gross <je...@nicira.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> They're the equivalent of makefiles for Visual Studio. Without them
>>>> you can't use the Windows-native development tools so while it's not
>>>> impossible to work it certainly makes life more difficult.
>>> 
>>> One can still edit the files using a vi editor (or any other simple 
>>> editor)on windows and do a make. Probably the disadvantage is that you 
>>> can't use visual studio ide to write code(?).
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Ben Pfaff <b...@nicira.com> wrote:
>>>>> What I'm trying to get at is, what are the "solution and related
>>>>> projects" good for?  The non-Windows world does fine without them, so
>>>>> if "make" can work on Windows then why is the result "basically
>>>>> useless for any practical development purpose"?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 04:50:40PM -0500, Ethan Jackson wrote:
>>>>>> My understanding is that Guru is working on a solution to this
>>>>>> problem.  What were your thoughts?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ethan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Ben Pfaff <b...@nicira.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 08:11:00PM +0000, Alessandro Pilotti wrote:
>>>>>>>> We did some testing with autoconf / automake on Windows. Makefiles
>>>>>>>> are getting generated correctly although we cannot obviously verify
>>>>>>>> the result with a full build since we didn?t port all the patches to
>>>>>>>> the master branch yet.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There?s anyway a huge limitation: it does not generate a Visual
>>>>>>>> Studio solution and related projects, which means that it?s
>>>>>>>> basically useless for any practical development purpose.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What are those files good for?
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