On Sunday, April 5, 2015, Gavin McDonald <ga...@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
> > > On 5 Apr 2015, at 7:20 am, jan i <j...@apache.org <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > On Sunday, April 5, 2015, jonathon <toki.kant...@gmail.com > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > >> On 05/04/15 00:37, jan i wrote: > >> > >>> felt that I as new AOO chair, had formulated the report too negative > and > >> against the wishes of the community > >> > >> I'm going to suggest that said PMC Member was simply shocked at the > >> radical difference in reporting styles. > > > > Just to clarify, this did not come from a AOO PMC! It came from a ASF > Member > > who read the board mailing list. > > Yep, that was me. > > > No AOO PMC has at this point in time, > > written that I > > have acted against the interest of the community. > > And neither did I — in fact you couldn’t act against the interest of the > community > because you posted a report created by the community , correct? I cannot quote your enail, but there is a sentence in there suggesting very directly, that the wording used, was not what the community wanted. I am sure your suggestions was sent with a positive attitude, but we should not discuss what the comnunity want on a list the community cannot read. > > So I made ‘suggestions’ based on a community based board report. > > In other words, none of this is an attack on you Jan, or an attack of any > kind. I have never thought or said this was about my person, it has nothing to do with my person. It has to do with the free will of a community versus discussions on private list outside the reach of the community. Fact is, that I have received multiple "suggestions" on the private board list to implement some of your wording or similar wording, these mails (not from you, but a reaction to your mail) ignores the fact, that there was consensus in the community to submit the report. For reference, your wording was in a mail to a private list, so only the PMC has seen the content. I have on the private board list rejected to change the wording, without a public discussion on this list. > > Please lets not over-react to what was just some helpful notes. I actually took your mail positively, and based on your mail started a discussion with the PMC, if we should change the wording. I would have wished you had participated in the original public discussion. But the mails that followed suggesting that I should change the report are an, to me, unacceptable attempt to bypass the community. Thanks for presenting your very relavant views in public, and let us get consensus on a text acceptable both to this community and the readers of the board list. rgds jan i > > Gav… > > > > > > >> You (Jan) do not like negative surprises. Consequently, your reports > >> reflect that POV. > >> Andrea is more surprise-tolerant, and consequently reports reflect that > >> POV. > >> > >> Both reports are accurate. The difference is simply one of managerial > >> style --- mention potential risks, or only mention documented risks. > >> Both styles have their virtues. Both styles have their vices. The > >> people kicked upstairs can be traumatized by the difference in reporting > >> styles, during the transition process. > > > > Agreed, I will however, due to pressure, from non AOO PMC, change the > > report, and have a new discussion start on this mailing list. I have > asked > > the > > people in question to come forward in here and explain their opinions. > > > > I apologize to the community, for not having realized that consensus in > > AOO, > > is not enough, when making a board report. > > > > rgds > > jan i > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> jonathon > >> > >> * English - detected > >> * English > >> > >> * English > >> > >> <javascript:void(0);> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > <javascript:;> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > <javascript:;> > > -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
