+1 for the deprecation and reaching out to the user ML to ask for feedback from our users. Thanks for driving this Chesnay!
Cheers, Till On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 10:15 AM Roman Khachatryan <ro...@apache.org> wrote: > The situation is probably a bit different now compared to the previous > upgrade: some users might be using Amazon Coretto (or other builds) > which have longer support. > > Still +1 for deprecation to trigger migration, and thanks for bringing > this up! > > Regards, > Roman > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 10:09 AM Arvid Heise <ar...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > +1 to deprecate Java 8, so we can hopefully incorporate the module > concept > > in Flink. > > > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 9:49 AM Chesnay Schepler <ches...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > > Users can already use APIs from Java 8/11. > > > > > > On 25/11/2021 09:35, Francesco Guardiani wrote: > > > > +1 with what both Ingo and Matthias sad, personally, I cannot wait to > > > start using some of > > > > the APIs introduced in Java 9. And I'm pretty sure that's the same > for > > > our users as well. > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, 23 November 2021 13:35:07 CET Ingo Bürk wrote: > > > >> Hi everyone, > > > >> > > > >> continued support for Java 8 can also create project risks, e.g. if > a > > > >> vulnerability arises in Flink's dependencies and we cannot upgrade > them > > > >> because they no longer support Java 8. Some projects already started > > > >> deprecating support as well, like Kafka, and other projects will > likely > > > >> follow. > > > >> Let's also keep in mind that the proposal here is not to drop > support > > > right > > > >> away, but to deprecate it, send the message, and motivate users to > start > > > >> migrating. Delaying this process could ironically mean users have > less > > > time > > > >> to prepare for it. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Ingo > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 8:54 AM Matthias Pohl < > matth...@ververica.com> > > > >> > > > >> wrote: > > > >>> Thanks for constantly driving these maintenance topics, Chesnay. +1 > > > from > > > >>> my > > > >>> side for deprecating Java 8. I see the point Jingsong is raising. > But I > > > >>> agree with what David already said here. Deprecating the Java > version > > > is a > > > >>> tool to make users aware of it (same as starting this discussion > > > thread). > > > >>> If there's no major opposition against deprecating it in the > community > > > we > > > >>> should move forward in this regard to make the users who do not > > > >>> regularly browse the mailing list aware of it. That said, > deprecating > > > Java > > > >>> 8 in 1.15 does not necessarily mean that it is dropped in 1.16. > > > >>> > > > >>> Best, > > > >>> Matthias > > > >>> > > > >>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 8:46 AM David Morávek <d...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > >>>> Thank you Chesnay for starting the discussion! This will generate > bit > > > of > > > >>> a > > > >>> > > > >>>> work for some users, but it's a good thing to keep moving the > project > > > >>>> forward. Big +1 for this. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Jingsong: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Receiving this signal, the user may be unhappy because his > application > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> may be all on Java 8. Upgrading is a big job, after all, many > systems > > > >>>>> have not been upgraded yet. (Like you said, HBase and Hive) > > > >>>> The whole point of deprecation is to raise awareness, that this > will > > > be > > > >>>> happening eventually and users should take some steps to address > this > > > in > > > >>>> medium-term. If I understand Chesnay correctly, we'd still keep > Java 8 > > > >>>> around for quite some time to give users enough time to upgrade, > but > > > >>>> without raising awareness we'd fight the very same argument later > in > > > >>> time. > > > >>> > > > >>>> All of the prerequisites from 3rd party projects for both HBase > [1] > > > and > > > >>>> Hive [2] to fully support Java 11 have been completed, so the > ball is > > > on > > > >>>> their side and there doesn't seem to be much activity. Generating > bit > > > >>> more > > > >>> > > > >>>> pressure on these efforts might be a good thing. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> It would be great to identify some of these users and learn bit > more > > > >>> about > > > >>> > > > >>>> their situation. Are they keeping up with latest Flink > developments or > > > >>> are > > > >>> > > > >>>> they lagging behind (this would also give them way more time for > > > >>>> eventual > > > >>>> upgrade)? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HBASE-22972 > > > >>>> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-22415 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Best, > > > >>>> D. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 3:08 AM Jingsong Li < > jingsongl...@gmail.com> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> Hi Chesnay, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Thanks for bringing this for discussion. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> We should dig deeper into the current Java version of Flink > users. At > > > >>>>> least make sure Java 8 is not a mainstream version. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Receiving this signal, the user may be unhappy because his > > > application > > > >>>>> may be all on Java 8. Upgrading is a big job, after all, many > systems > > > >>>>> have not been upgraded yet. (Like you said, HBase and Hive) > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> In my opinion, it is too early to deprecate support for Java 8. > We > > > >>>>> should wait for a safer point in time. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 11:45 PM Ingo Bürk <i...@ververica.com> > > > wrote: > > > >>>>>> Hi, > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> also a +1 from me because of everything Chesnay already said. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Ingo > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 4:41 PM Martijn Visser < > > > >>> mart...@ververica.com> > > > > > > > > > >
