Thanks for the explanations. + 1 for starting the graduation process. Best Yun Tang
On 2022/02/10 04:41:43 陈明雨 wrote: > >For the branding issues, I found I cannot open the thread links. Are they > >private threads? If this discussion thread is public, maybe we could at > >least give some background information. > > > Yes, they were discussed in private@doris list. It is about "doris" on Baidu > Cloud, "dorisdb" and "cdwdoris" on Tecent Cloud. > The first 2 has been solved, and the "cdwdoris" will be solved at the end of > Feb. > > > > > -- > > 此致！Best Regards > 陈明雨 Mingyu Chen > > Email: > chenmin...@apache.org > > > > > > 在 2022-02-10 11:23:33，"Yun Tang" <tang...@apache.org> 写道： > >It's great to see the discussion on Apache Doris' graduation from the > >incubator! > > > >For the branding issues, I found I cannot open the thread links. Are they > >private threads? If this discussion thread is public, maybe we could at > >least give some background information. > > > >Best > >Yun Tang > > > >On 2022/02/10 01:20:25 寒江雪 wrote: > >> +1. I think we can get started on the graduation process. > >> > >> 陈明雨 <morning...@163.com> 于2022年2月9日周三 22:26写道： > >> > >> > >For the relationship of the Impala project, I think we need to get in > >> > >touch with the Impala team to get more feedback.Before entering the > >> > apache incubator, Doris was developed based on a very early version of > >> > Impala. > >> > > >> > In order to adapt to Doris' architecture (both metadata and planning are > >> > in FE), we have made many changes. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > After entering the apache incubator, we try to give back some new > >> > features > >> > to the Impala community including Grouping set [1], left join -> inner > >> > join > >> > [2], etc. > >> > > >> > Although we raised tickets, after communicating with Impala PMC, we found > >> > that new features we wanted to give back to Impala have been implemented. > >> > > >> > So in the end there is no substantial code contribution. > >> > > >> > > >> > Both communities are iterating rapidly at their own pace, and many common > >> > SQL features do overlap in part, but only in terms of functionality, with > >> > significant differences at the code level. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IMPALA-9298 > >> > > >> > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IMPALA-11074 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > 此致！Best Regards > >> > 陈明雨 Mingyu Chen > >> > > >> > Email: > >> > chenmin...@apache.org > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 在 2022-02-09 14:43:10，"陈明雨" <morning...@163.com> 写道： > >> > >>I just want to mention about the recent release of Java code, it's > >> > >>better to add another git repo to host the java code for the maven > >> > >>release. > >> > >>It doesn't make any sense that we have different tags for the java > >> > >>code release. I'd like to see this issue addressed before graduation. > >> > > > >> > >Thanks for you suggestion. I will start a new thread to discuss it. I > >> > think creating a new repo is a good way to address this issue. > >> > > > >> > >-- > >> > > > >> > >此致！Best Regards > >> > >陈明雨 Mingyu Chen > >> > > > >> > >Email: > >> > >chenmin...@apache.org > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >At 2022-02-08 20:44:25, "Willem Jiang" <willem.ji...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>It is good to see Doris did lots of work on building up the community. > >> > >>The brand issues were addressed last year. > >> > >>For the relationship of the Impala project, I think we need to get in > >> > >>touch with the Impala team to get more feedback. > >> > >> > >> > >>I just want to mention about the recent release of Java code, it's > >> > >>better to add another git repo to host the java code for the maven > >> > >>release. > >> > >>It doesn't make any sense that we have different tags for the java > >> > >>code release. I'd like to see this issue addressed before graduation. > >> > >> > >> > >>Willem Jiang > >> > >> > >> > >>Twitter: willemjiang > >> > >>Weibo: 姜宁willem > >> > >> > >> > >>On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:09 PM 陈明雨 <morning...@163.com> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Hi all. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Apache Doris (Incubating) has been in development for over 3 years > >> > since it entered the Apache incubator in September 2018. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> During our time in the Incubator, we have learned a lot about open > >> > source software governance and the Apache Foundation's philosophy on > >> > managing, maintaining, and developing open source community. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> I am pleased to conduct a discussion here on matters related to > >> > >>> Doris' > >> > graduation from the incubator. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> The following is a brief overview of the progress of the Doris > >> > >>> project > >> > and community since entering the incubator. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> 1. Community > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> - 8 new PPMC members were added, from five different companies, > >> > bringing the total number of PPMC members to 21. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> - 16 new Committers were added (including the new PPMC members), > >> > bringing the total number of Committers to 29. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> - The number of Contributors is now 245 and growing. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> - The dev@doris mailing list currently has 289 subscribers, and > >> > all major project discussions are happening in the dev@doris. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> 2. Project > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> - 7 releases by 6 release managers. All compliance issues have > >> > been resolved. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> - Doris official website[1] is compliant with Apache Foundation > >> > requirements[2]. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> - Project maturity model is detailed in [3]. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> - We have also created a pre-graduation Check List[4] following > >> > the Apache official website guidelines and are currently moving forward. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Some things that I think need further discussion. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> 1. Branding issue > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Doris had some branding issues during the incubating[5][6]. I > >> > think these issues have been resolved and would appreciate the mentors' > >> > assistance in checking them out. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> 2. Relationship with Apache Impala > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Doris' current query engine is forked from Impala version v0.7 > >> > >>> and > >> > has been updated with Impala in the early stages of the project (hands-on > >> > code merge). > >> > >>> > >> > >>> In the Doris Proposal [7], we expressed our desire to decouple > >> > >>> the > >> > Doris storage engine from the query engine through a layer of abstract > >> > API. > >> > So that the query layer could fully follow Impala's evolution. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> However, as the project progressed, we found it difficult to > >> > achieve this goal, mainly for the following reasons. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> 1. Impala focus on providing query acceleration on the Hadoop > >> > ecosystem, while Doris focus on a standalone data warehouse or DBMS > >> > system. > >> > The difference of targets means that many features do not meet the needs > >> > of > >> > both projects. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> 2. Doris has completely refactored the metadata and has its own > >> > storage engine. This required a deep integration of the query layer with > >> > the metadata and the storage engine. We also made a lot of architectural > >> > changes for this. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> 3. Doris has now developed a new vectorized execution engine that > >> > rewrites most of the execution node in query layer, which is different > >> > from > >> > Impala. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> For these reasons, it is difficult for us to continue to follow > >> > the Impala community with code level iterations and integrations. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Of course, all code references to Impala are fully compliant with > >> > the Apache License, and we explicitly declare the relationship between > >> > Doris and Impala in the NOTICE file[8] and the README file[9] and thank > >> > the > >> > Impala community for their help. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Since this aspect deviates from the direction in the original > >> > Proposal, I think it needs to be listed separately for necessary > >> > discussion. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> If there are any other aspects that need to be discussed before > >> > graduation, please discuss. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> [1] http://doris.incubator.apache.org/ > >> > >>> > >> > >>> [2] https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/doris > >> > >>> > >> > >>> [3] > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DORIS/Maturity+Assessment+for+Doris > >> > >>> > >> > >>> [4] > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DORIS/Graduation+Check+List > >> > >>> > >> > >>> [5] https://lists.apache.org/thread/k8klobjzffobbx161nj6plc0mfl8gc7z > >> > >>> > >> > >>> [6] https://lists.apache.org/thread/t6dwq77x0jjm63kpkzlq51sfbowd92p9 > >> > >>> > >> > >>> [7] > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/incubator/DorisProposal > >> > >>> > >> > >>> [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-doris/blob/master/NOTICE.txt > >> > >>> > >> > >>> [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-doris/blob/master/README.md > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> -- > >> > >>> > >> > >>> 此致！Best Regards > >> > >>> 陈明雨 Mingyu Chen > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Email: > >> > >>> chenmin...@apache.org > >> > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@doris.apache.org > >> > >>For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@doris.apache.org > >> > > >> > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@doris.apache.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@doris.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@doris.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@doris.apache.org
