Hi, I just create a public editable document for the weekly meeting of ALC Beijing. Please add your name if you want to attend the meeting and feel free to update the agenda. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mBu5ITy4p6nlv7jdBZ7Um0_zEJdTQso-jmxJ_gggCvQ/edit#
Here are the Zoom meeting links for today's meeting. Topic: ALC Beijing Member meeting Time: Feb 27, 2020 09:30 PM Beijing, Shanghai Join Zoom Meeting https://zoom.com.cn/j/848357269 Meeting ID: 848 357 269 One tap mobile +16465588656,,848357269# US (New York) +14086380968,,848357269# US (San Jose) Dial by your location +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) +1 408 638 0968 US (San Jose) Meeting ID: 848 357 269 Find your local number: https://zoom.com.cn/u/feJIm2ZNrv Willem Jiang Twitter: willemjiang Weibo: 姜宁willem On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:06 AM zhangli...@apache.org < zhangli...@apache.org> wrote: > Do we need a precondition about base on Beijing for Members (or Full > Members)? > > ------------------ > > Liang Zhang (John) > Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo > > > Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月27日周四 上午10:56写道： > >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 10:11 AM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Hadrian >>> >>> I like this idea. >>> >>> > At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a member of >>> dev@community.a.o. >>> This means a committer of community.a.o, right? >>> >> >> I guess it's just like the incubator.a.o, SHOULD be PMC member of >> community.a.o. >> >> >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >>> Twitter, wusheng1108 >>> >>> >>> Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月27日周四 上午4:47写道： >>> >>>> Hi Juan Pan, >>>> >>>> Best is to keep things simple. My suggestion would be to have 3 roles: >>>> >>>> 1. Associate Members = anybody interested, low barrier to entry >>>> 2. Members (or Full Members) = members who are also committers to any >>>> ASF project >>>> 3. Steering Committee = elected from Full Members with an >>>> administrative/organizational role (similar to a PMC); size up to you >>>> >>>> Associate Members would become Full Members simply by getting the Vote >>>> of an ASF community/project, not special procedure would be necessary >>>> inside the ALC. At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a >>>> member of dev@community.a.o. You could consider removing Associate >>>> Members who were inactive for a significant time, say 2 years. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Hadrian >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:19 PM Juan Pan <panj...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> After reading the thread, two of questions came to my mind, i.e. What >>>>> is the Responsibility of ALC member? How to become a ALC member? >>>>> Moreover, i guess other ALCs will have the same questions as well. >>>>> >>>>> From the ALC doc[1], we can learn that the responsibilities of ALC are >>>>> mostly related to Apache way, so if the responsibilities of a member is to >>>>> help do those things, >>>>> that means a member at least has a basic understanding of Apache or >>>>> did some contributions? >>>>> Secondly, if many of people who may has no understanding of Apache, or >>>>> just want to be a member (for interest?), is it ok to include him as a >>>>> member? Is there any condition or bar? >>>>> >>>>> IMO, we may consider nomination and vote for a member. Our upcoming >>>>> online meet up is a good chance to discuss. >>>>> >>>>> See you then. >>>>> >>>>> [1] >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Apache+Local+Community+-+ALC#ApacheLocalCommunity-ALC-ALCRolesandResponsibilities >>>>> >>>>> *Juan Pan (Trista) * >>>>> >>>>> Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) >>>>> E-mail: panj...@apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 02/26/2020 09:53，Sheng Wu<wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> >>>>> <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> wrote： >>>>> >>>>> Hi Hadrian >>>>> >>>>> So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in >>>>> >>>>> agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, we are. We could discuss this more on Thur. online meeting. >>>>> >>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月26日周三 上午12:27写道： >>>>> >>>>> Most of the disagreements on the ASF lists can be traced back to a >>>>> communication issue. I think I understand what Willem proposed and I >>>>> agree >>>>> on the low bar aspect, but I think the way the term bar is used may >>>>> create >>>>> unnecessary misunderstandings. >>>>> >>>>> This being an ASF local community, it must be guided by ASF standards >>>>> (let's not call them rules). This is in the interest of advancing the >>>>> ASF >>>>> values we believe in and proved successful for over 2 decades. From >>>>> this >>>>> point of view the people who are organizing the community must know >>>>> what >>>>> they're are doing, Sheng Wu you are correct. There should be a way in >>>>> which >>>>> the organizers (or members or whatever word we choose to describe that >>>>> PMC >>>>> member like role) communicate with each other, build consensus and >>>>> execute. >>>>> If necessary, they are smart and experienced enough to ask for advice >>>>> from >>>>> an ASF officer or the board, whatever the case may be. >>>>> >>>>> On the other side, thinking about the intent behind the ACL Beijing, >>>>> it is >>>>> not intended (I assume) as a private club, but a way to promote open >>>>> source >>>>> and the ASF. From this point of view the community should be inclusive, >>>>> there should be a low bar to entry, there should be good and active >>>>> mentoring of new individuals (whatever we call them if not members) and >>>>> they should be encouraged, helped, guided, mentored to be successful >>>>> with >>>>> open source, ASF projects and the ASF way in particular. Interested and >>>>> talented individuals will get the karma in ASF projects and will go as >>>>> far >>>>> as they want, and will get a better understanding of what the ASF is >>>>> about. >>>>> The 'status' in the ACL Beijing will come from their contributions to >>>>> open >>>>> source projects, not the fact that they 'joined the club'. And to be >>>>> clear, >>>>> contributions don't mean just code contributions. >>>>> >>>>> IMHO, it matters less if those who join are called members of the ALC, >>>>> what matters is what they do and how they are helped to become >>>>> successful >>>>> and how they help others to become successful. Actually the term >>>>> member is >>>>> a bit overloaded at the ASF as well. I remember many cases when newly >>>>> voted >>>>> PMC members thought they are members of the foundation, and it took a >>>>> bit >>>>> for them to understand the difference. >>>>> >>>>> So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in >>>>> agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. >>>>> >>>>> Best of luck, >>>>> Hadrian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 8:04 AM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Willem >>>>> >>>>> I am pretty sure this should not be having a bar like a project >>>>> official >>>>> committer. But no bar? I don't think this is a reasonable idea. >>>>> As ALC we will use the Apache branding and Apache ALC branding, I >>>>> prefer >>>>> there should be some guides, otherwise, how should we protect it? >>>>> >>>>> And more, how should we make sure, the member could talk about the >>>>> culture of Apache basically correct(I wouldn 't say accurate, but at >>>>> least, >>>>> not misguide)? -- This question is suitable for JianSheng too. >>>>> How about the next one asking joining the ALC, what should we do? If he >>>>> is also not an Apache committer/PMC/member again >>>>> >>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月25日周二 下午5:18写道： >>>>> >>>>> I don't think we need to setup a bar on the people who want to join the >>>>> ALC. >>>>> As we are short of hand to advocate the Apache way in China. I think >>>>> JianSheng can provide a great help for us. >>>>> ALC is not a Apache project, current we don't have the PMC or >>>>> Committers, but I think community PMC can give us some guide and >>>>> advices for it. >>>>> Current the member of ALC Beijing are the active committers of Apache >>>>> or other people who interesting about it. We may need to discuss a >>>>> way how to introduce new blood in a meritocracy way. >>>>> The main purpose of ALC is building a local community around ASF >>>>> projects, helping Apache projects cooperate with each other, and let >>>>> Chinese community to know better about Apache Software Foundation. >>>>> For the content we provide for the local audience should follow the >>>>> Apache Way and for the logo and branding related issues we also need >>>>> the approve from Apache Branding officer. >>>>> >>>>> Willem Jiang >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: willemjiang >>>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:45 PM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Willem >>>>> >>>>> Is there any invitation rule(guide) about adding a new member? >>>>> What is different between a member and not a member? >>>>> >>>>> To be clear, I am not objecting, I just don't get the context. >>>>> In all other TLP project, member sometimes means a committer of ASF or >>>>> >>>>> that project. Which is the bar(s) of an ALC member? Or even is there a >>>>> bar >>>>> for this? >>>>> >>>>> The deep reason I asked about this, is from my understanding the ALC >>>>> >>>>> member needs to follow the Apache way, keep the branding used in the >>>>> right >>>>> way, and so on. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To Jian Sheng >>>>> Please don't feel I am not welcoming you to join or unfriendly. >>>>> >>>>> Really, I am not stopping you. I know the contributions you made for >>>>> the >>>>> Apache/Apache Way/Open source. >>>>> >>>>> I just want this community organized in the right and recommended way. >>>>> >>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月25日周二 下午4:38写道： >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> FYI, I just updated the wiki page[1] and added JianSheng into the >>>>> >>>>> member list. >>>>> >>>>> Please let me know if you have any questions about it. >>>>> >>>>> BTW, please add your picture into the page if you have time :) >>>>> >>>>> [1]https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Beijing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Willem Jiang >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: willemjiang >>>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 2:20 PM Xiangdong Huang <saint...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> +1. >>>>> Jianshen is very active for popularizing open source. >>>>> >>>>> jincheng sun <sunjincheng...@gmail.com>于2020年2月25日 周二下午12:30写道： >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> +1 for your proposal Willem. I think we really need people who with >>>>> experience in Chinese communities to join us！ >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Jincheng >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 适兕 <lijiangshe...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月23日周日 上午11:42写道： >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Willem, >>>>> It's honor , be happy to do something for ALC Beijing. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:23 AM Willem Jiang < >>>>> >>>>> willem.ji...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to introduce Jianshen Li, he is the founder of a >>>>> >>>>> Chinese blog >>>>> >>>>> which introduce Open Source Way for nearly 3 years. >>>>> Even he is not a Apache Committer, he translate bunch of ASF >>>>> >>>>> related >>>>> >>>>> articles [1][2][3][4]into Chinese, I think it helps lot for >>>>> >>>>> promote >>>>> >>>>> ASF in Chinese community. >>>>> Now I'm working closely with JIanshen to write more articles >>>>> >>>>> for the >>>>> >>>>> newbie who want to join the Open Source in China. >>>>> I'd like to invite him as a member of ALC Beijing. >>>>> >>>>> Any throught？ >>>>> >>>>> [1] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/asf-founders-look-back-on-20-years/ >>>>> >>>>> [2] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/the_apache_way_to_sustainable_os/ >>>>> >>>>> [3] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/five-year-strategic-plan-for-the-asf-2018/ >>>>> >>>>> [4] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/how_apache_works/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Willem Jiang >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: willemjiang >>>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 9:57 AM 适兕 <lijiangshe...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, Swapnil and Willem , >>>>> >>>>> I am very interested helping for ALC BeiJing, >>>>> >>>>> + 1 from me. >>>>> >>>>> As open source advocate , I am the founder of >>>>> >>>>> opensourceway.community >>>>> >>>>> , Dedicated to the exploration of ideas, knowledge and values >>>>> >>>>> related to >>>>> >>>>> open source. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 8:04 PM Swapnil M Mane < >>>>> >>>>> swapnilmm...@apache.org> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Done Xiangdong, please check. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Swapnil M Mane, >>>>> www.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 5:14 PM Xiangdong Huang < >>>>> >>>>> saint...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Swapnil, >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to apply for the edit rights for the confluence. >>>>> My Confluence id is hxd. >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> ----------------------------------- >>>>> Xiangdong Huang >>>>> School of Software, Tsinghua University >>>>> >>>>> 黄向东 >>>>> 清华大学 软件学院 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Swapnil M Mane <swapnilmm...@apache.org> 于2020年2月18日周二 >>>>> >>>>> 下午6:59写道： >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello ALC Beijing team, >>>>> >>>>> Hope you are doing well, it gives immense pleasure to us >>>>> >>>>> to update >>>>> >>>>> you >>>>> >>>>> that the vote is passed by ComDev PMC to establish ALC >>>>> >>>>> Beijing >>>>> >>>>> Chapter >>>>> >>>>> and Willem Jiang as ALC Beijing Chapter lead. >>>>> >>>>> Here are the placeholder pages created in ComDev space >>>>> https://s.apache.org/alc-beijing >>>>> https://s.apache.org/alc-beijing-events >>>>> https://s.apache.org/alc-beijing-reports >>>>> >>>>> I have given edit rights on Confluence for ComDev wiki >>>>> >>>>> to following >>>>> >>>>> members (since I found their confluence IDs) >>>>> -- Willem Jiang >>>>> -- Jeff Zhang >>>>> -- Liang Zhang >>>>> -- Jincheng Sun >>>>> -- Sheng Wu >>>>> -- Juan Pan >>>>> >>>>> Rest members, please feel free to mail on the dev list >>>>> >>>>> to request >>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> edit rights with your confluence ID. >>>>> >>>>> We would also like to connect you with Aditya Sharma. >>>>> Aditya is a very active member of ALC Indore Chapter and >>>>> >>>>> will be >>>>> >>>>> with >>>>> >>>>> you for an initial few months to support and assist you >>>>> >>>>> so that you >>>>> >>>>> will be familiar with the processes followed by ALC >>>>> >>>>> Chapter for its >>>>> >>>>> execution ( https://s.apache.org/d4anc ). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Willem and team, >>>>> We have the following roles and responsibilities as ALC >>>>> >>>>> Chapter and >>>>> >>>>> ALC Chapter lead: >>>>> [Online version of this is available at >>>>> https://s.apache.org/ALC-Chapter-Lead-RR ] >>>>> >>>>> 1. Making sure the 'ALC Code of Conduct ( >>>>> https://s.apache.org/alc-code-of-conduct )' is followed >>>>> >>>>> by the ALC >>>>> >>>>> Chapter. >>>>> >>>>> 2. All the events organized by the ALC Chapter are >>>>> >>>>> following the >>>>> >>>>> Guidelines to organize ALC Event ( >>>>> >>>>> s.apache.org/alc-guidelines ). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 3. Chapter lead will submit the status report ( >>>>> https://s.apache.org/alc-reports ) to ComDev ( >>>>> dev@community.apache.org ) in every *three months* >>>>> >>>>> based on their >>>>> >>>>> reporting cycle. >>>>> For ALC Beijing the reporting cycle is May, August, >>>>> >>>>> November, >>>>> >>>>> February. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 4. Chapter Lead will be the point of contact for the >>>>> >>>>> respective >>>>> >>>>> ALC >>>>> >>>>> Chapter. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any queries or questions, please feel free >>>>> >>>>> to post on >>>>> >>>>> dev list. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> All the very best team, and thank you for showing your >>>>> >>>>> kind >>>>> >>>>> interest >>>>> >>>>> in this initiative. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Swapnil M Mane, >>>>> www.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:20 AM Swapnil M Mane < >>>>> >>>>> swapnilmm...@apache.org> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello Skylar and Juan, thank you for your interest. >>>>> Skylar, please refer to my response inline. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 10:02 AM Skylar Deranick < >>>>> >>>>> skysfr...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sure I'll do it >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Just for your information, as mentioned in one of my >>>>> >>>>> recent mail >>>>> >>>>> [1], >>>>> >>>>> Currently, the voting is underway in ComDev PMC to >>>>> >>>>> establish ALC >>>>> >>>>> Beijing. >>>>> >>>>> And it is the mandate of ComDev PMC to establish the >>>>> >>>>> new ALCs, >>>>> >>>>> so we have to wait until we get the response from the >>>>> >>>>> PMC. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [1] https://s.apache.org/z8yo7 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2020, 8:30 PM Juan Pan < >>>>> >>>>> panj...@apache.org> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> +1 from me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am tracking this thread. >>>>> Hope see ACL Beijing setting up, i believe there >>>>> >>>>> are much >>>>> >>>>> more active >>>>> >>>>> PMCs, committers and contributors in Beijing >>>>> >>>>> waiting for >>>>> >>>>> this good >>>>> >>>>> news. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Juan Pan (Trista) >>>>> >>>>> Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache >>>>> >>>>> ShardingSphere(Incubating) >>>>> >>>>> E-mail: panj...@apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 02/7/2020 13:50，Sheng Wu<wush...@apache.org> >>>>> >>>>> wrote： >>>>> >>>>> Hi Willem >>>>> >>>>> I am interested in helping ALC Beijing. >>>>> Sorry I didn't respond earlier. >>>>> >>>>> +1 from me. >>>>> >>>>> I am Apache SkyWalking VP, Incubator PMC, >>>>> >>>>> ShardingSphere(incubating) >>>>> >>>>> PPMC >>>>> >>>>> and mentor of DolphinScheduler(incubating) & >>>>> >>>>> ECharts(incubating). >>>>> >>>>> ALC Beijing is good news for SkyWalking, >>>>> >>>>> ShardingSphere, and >>>>> >>>>> DolphinScheduler, which has many initial PMC and >>>>> >>>>> active >>>>> >>>>> contributors >>>>> >>>>> here. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sheng Wu >>>>> >>>>> On 2019/12/03 02:50:52, Willem Jiang < >>>>> >>>>> ningji...@apache.org> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I'm Apache member and there are bunch of Apache >>>>> >>>>> project >>>>> >>>>> developers in >>>>> >>>>> Beijing I know. ALC just give us a very good >>>>> >>>>> excuse to hand >>>>> >>>>> out and >>>>> >>>>> hold meetup together. >>>>> >>>>> Regards， >>>>> >>>>> Willem >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>>> >>>>> dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>> >>>>> dev-h...@community.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>>> >>>>> dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>> >>>>> dev-h...@community.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>> >>>>> dev-h...@community.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> 独立之思想，自由之精神。 >>>>> --陈寅恪 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> 独立之思想，自由之精神。 >>>>> --陈寅恪 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ----------------------------------- >>>>> Xiangdong Huang >>>>> School of Software, Tsinghua University >>>>> >>>>> 黄向东 >>>>> 清华大学 软件学院 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>
