On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 10:11 AM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Hadrian > > I like this idea. > > > At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a member of > dev@community.a.o. > This means a committer of community.a.o, right? > I guess it's just like the incubator.a.o, SHOULD be PMC member of community.a.o. > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月27日周四 上午4:47写道： > >> Hi Juan Pan, >> >> Best is to keep things simple. My suggestion would be to have 3 roles: >> >> 1. Associate Members = anybody interested, low barrier to entry >> 2. Members (or Full Members) = members who are also committers to any ASF >> project >> 3. Steering Committee = elected from Full Members with an >> administrative/organizational role (similar to a PMC); size up to you >> >> Associate Members would become Full Members simply by getting the Vote of >> an ASF community/project, not special procedure would be necessary inside >> the ALC. At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a member >> of dev@community.a.o. You could consider removing Associate Members who >> were inactive for a significant time, say 2 years. >> >> Cheers, >> Hadrian >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:19 PM Juan Pan <panj...@apache.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> After reading the thread, two of questions came to my mind, i.e. What >>> is the Responsibility of ALC member? How to become a ALC member? >>> Moreover, i guess other ALCs will have the same questions as well. >>> >>> From the ALC doc[1], we can learn that the responsibilities of ALC are >>> mostly related to Apache way, so if the responsibilities of a member is to >>> help do those things, >>> that means a member at least has a basic understanding of Apache or did >>> some contributions? >>> Secondly, if many of people who may has no understanding of Apache, or >>> just want to be a member (for interest?), is it ok to include him as a >>> member? Is there any condition or bar? >>> >>> IMO, we may consider nomination and vote for a member. Our upcoming >>> online meet up is a good chance to discuss. >>> >>> See you then. >>> >>> [1] >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Apache+Local+Community+-+ALC#ApacheLocalCommunity-ALC-ALCRolesandResponsibilities >>> >>> *Juan Pan (Trista) * >>> >>> Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) >>> E-mail: panj...@apache.org >>> >>> >>> On 02/26/2020 09:53，Sheng Wu<wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> >>> <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> wrote： >>> >>> Hi Hadrian >>> >>> So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in >>> >>> agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. >>> >>> Yes, we are. We could discuss this more on Thur. online meeting. >>> >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >>> Twitter, wusheng1108 >>> >>> >>> Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月26日周三 上午12:27写道： >>> >>> Most of the disagreements on the ASF lists can be traced back to a >>> communication issue. I think I understand what Willem proposed and I >>> agree >>> on the low bar aspect, but I think the way the term bar is used may >>> create >>> unnecessary misunderstandings. >>> >>> This being an ASF local community, it must be guided by ASF standards >>> (let's not call them rules). This is in the interest of advancing the ASF >>> values we believe in and proved successful for over 2 decades. From this >>> point of view the people who are organizing the community must know what >>> they're are doing, Sheng Wu you are correct. There should be a way in >>> which >>> the organizers (or members or whatever word we choose to describe that >>> PMC >>> member like role) communicate with each other, build consensus and >>> execute. >>> If necessary, they are smart and experienced enough to ask for advice >>> from >>> an ASF officer or the board, whatever the case may be. >>> >>> On the other side, thinking about the intent behind the ACL Beijing, it >>> is >>> not intended (I assume) as a private club, but a way to promote open >>> source >>> and the ASF. From this point of view the community should be inclusive, >>> there should be a low bar to entry, there should be good and active >>> mentoring of new individuals (whatever we call them if not members) and >>> they should be encouraged, helped, guided, mentored to be successful with >>> open source, ASF projects and the ASF way in particular. Interested and >>> talented individuals will get the karma in ASF projects and will go as >>> far >>> as they want, and will get a better understanding of what the ASF is >>> about. >>> The 'status' in the ACL Beijing will come from their contributions to >>> open >>> source projects, not the fact that they 'joined the club'. And to be >>> clear, >>> contributions don't mean just code contributions. >>> >>> IMHO, it matters less if those who join are called members of the ALC, >>> what matters is what they do and how they are helped to become successful >>> and how they help others to become successful. Actually the term member >>> is >>> a bit overloaded at the ASF as well. I remember many cases when newly >>> voted >>> PMC members thought they are members of the foundation, and it took a bit >>> for them to understand the difference. >>> >>> So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in >>> agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. >>> >>> Best of luck, >>> Hadrian >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 8:04 AM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Willem >>> >>> I am pretty sure this should not be having a bar like a project official >>> committer. But no bar? I don't think this is a reasonable idea. >>> As ALC we will use the Apache branding and Apache ALC branding, I prefer >>> there should be some guides, otherwise, how should we protect it? >>> >>> And more, how should we make sure, the member could talk about the >>> culture of Apache basically correct(I wouldn 't say accurate, but at >>> least, >>> not misguide)? -- This question is suitable for JianSheng too. >>> How about the next one asking joining the ALC, what should we do? If he >>> is also not an Apache committer/PMC/member again >>> >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >>> Twitter, wusheng1108 >>> >>> >>> Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月25日周二 下午5:18写道： >>> >>> I don't think we need to setup a bar on the people who want to join the >>> ALC. >>> As we are short of hand to advocate the Apache way in China. I think >>> JianSheng can provide a great help for us. >>> ALC is not a Apache project, current we don't have the PMC or >>> Committers, but I think community PMC can give us some guide and >>> advices for it. >>> Current the member of ALC Beijing are the active committers of Apache >>> or other people who interesting about it. We may need to discuss a >>> way how to introduce new blood in a meritocracy way. >>> The main purpose of ALC is building a local community around ASF >>> projects, helping Apache projects cooperate with each other, and let >>> Chinese community to know better about Apache Software Foundation. >>> For the content we provide for the local audience should follow the >>> Apache Way and for the logo and branding related issues we also need >>> the approve from Apache Branding officer. >>> >>> Willem Jiang >>> >>> Twitter: willemjiang >>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:45 PM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Willem >>> >>> Is there any invitation rule(guide) about adding a new member? >>> What is different between a member and not a member? >>> >>> To be clear, I am not objecting, I just don't get the context. >>> In all other TLP project, member sometimes means a committer of ASF or >>> >>> that project. Which is the bar(s) of an ALC member? Or even is there a >>> bar >>> for this? >>> >>> The deep reason I asked about this, is from my understanding the ALC >>> >>> member needs to follow the Apache way, keep the branding used in the >>> right >>> way, and so on. >>> >>> >>> To Jian Sheng >>> Please don't feel I am not welcoming you to join or unfriendly. >>> >>> Really, I am not stopping you. I know the contributions you made for the >>> Apache/Apache Way/Open source. >>> >>> I just want this community organized in the right and recommended way. >>> >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >>> Twitter, wusheng1108 >>> >>> >>> Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月25日周二 下午4:38写道： >>> >>> >>> FYI, I just updated the wiki page[1] and added JianSheng into the >>> >>> member list. >>> >>> Please let me know if you have any questions about it. >>> >>> BTW, please add your picture into the page if you have time :) >>> >>> [1]https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Beijing >>> >>> >>> Willem Jiang >>> >>> Twitter: willemjiang >>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 2:20 PM Xiangdong Huang <saint...@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> +1. >>> Jianshen is very active for popularizing open source. >>> >>> jincheng sun <sunjincheng...@gmail.com>于2020年2月25日 周二下午12:30写道： >>> >>> >>> +1 for your proposal Willem. I think we really need people who with >>> experience in Chinese communities to join us！ >>> >>> Best, >>> Jincheng >>> >>> >>> 适兕 <lijiangshe...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月23日周日 上午11:42写道： >>> >>> Thanks Willem, >>> It's honor , be happy to do something for ALC Beijing. >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:23 AM Willem Jiang < >>> >>> willem.ji...@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'd like to introduce Jianshen Li, he is the founder of a >>> >>> Chinese blog >>> >>> which introduce Open Source Way for nearly 3 years. >>> Even he is not a Apache Committer, he translate bunch of ASF >>> >>> related >>> >>> articles [1][2][3][4]into Chinese, I think it helps lot for >>> >>> promote >>> >>> ASF in Chinese community. >>> Now I'm working closely with JIanshen to write more articles >>> >>> for the >>> >>> newbie who want to join the Open Source in China. >>> I'd like to invite him as a member of ALC Beijing. >>> >>> Any throught？ >>> >>> [1] >>> >>> >>> http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/asf-founders-look-back-on-20-years/ >>> >>> [2] >>> >>> >>> http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/the_apache_way_to_sustainable_os/ >>> >>> [3] >>> >>> >>> http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/five-year-strategic-plan-for-the-asf-2018/ >>> >>> [4] >>> >>> >>> http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/how_apache_works/ >>> >>> >>> Willem Jiang >>> >>> Twitter: willemjiang >>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 9:57 AM 适兕 <lijiangshe...@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi, Swapnil and Willem , >>> >>> I am very interested helping for ALC BeiJing, >>> >>> + 1 from me. >>> >>> As open source advocate , I am the founder of >>> >>> opensourceway.community >>> >>> , Dedicated to the exploration of ideas, knowledge and values >>> >>> related to >>> >>> open source. >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 8:04 PM Swapnil M Mane < >>> >>> swapnilmm...@apache.org> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Done Xiangdong, please check. >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Swapnil M Mane, >>> www.apache.org >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 5:14 PM Xiangdong Huang < >>> >>> saint...@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Swapnil, >>> >>> I'd like to apply for the edit rights for the confluence. >>> My Confluence id is hxd. >>> >>> Many thanks. >>> >>> Best, >>> ----------------------------------- >>> Xiangdong Huang >>> School of Software, Tsinghua University >>> >>> 黄向东 >>> 清华大学 软件学院 >>> >>> >>> Swapnil M Mane <swapnilmm...@apache.org> 于2020年2月18日周二 >>> >>> 下午6:59写道： >>> >>> >>> Hello ALC Beijing team, >>> >>> Hope you are doing well, it gives immense pleasure to us >>> >>> to update >>> >>> you >>> >>> that the vote is passed by ComDev PMC to establish ALC >>> >>> Beijing >>> >>> Chapter >>> >>> and Willem Jiang as ALC Beijing Chapter lead. >>> >>> Here are the placeholder pages created in ComDev space >>> https://s.apache.org/alc-beijing >>> https://s.apache.org/alc-beijing-events >>> https://s.apache.org/alc-beijing-reports >>> >>> I have given edit rights on Confluence for ComDev wiki >>> >>> to following >>> >>> members (since I found their confluence IDs) >>> -- Willem Jiang >>> -- Jeff Zhang >>> -- Liang Zhang >>> -- Jincheng Sun >>> -- Sheng Wu >>> -- Juan Pan >>> >>> Rest members, please feel free to mail on the dev list >>> >>> to request >>> >>> the >>> >>> edit rights with your confluence ID. >>> >>> We would also like to connect you with Aditya Sharma. >>> Aditya is a very active member of ALC Indore Chapter and >>> >>> will be >>> >>> with >>> >>> you for an initial few months to support and assist you >>> >>> so that you >>> >>> will be familiar with the processes followed by ALC >>> >>> Chapter for its >>> >>> execution ( https://s.apache.org/d4anc ). >>> >>> >>> Dear Willem and team, >>> We have the following roles and responsibilities as ALC >>> >>> Chapter and >>> >>> ALC Chapter lead: >>> [Online version of this is available at >>> https://s.apache.org/ALC-Chapter-Lead-RR ] >>> >>> 1. Making sure the 'ALC Code of Conduct ( >>> https://s.apache.org/alc-code-of-conduct )' is followed >>> >>> by the ALC >>> >>> Chapter. >>> >>> 2. All the events organized by the ALC Chapter are >>> >>> following the >>> >>> Guidelines to organize ALC Event ( >>> >>> s.apache.org/alc-guidelines ). >>> >>> >>> 3. Chapter lead will submit the status report ( >>> https://s.apache.org/alc-reports ) to ComDev ( >>> dev@community.apache.org ) in every *three months* >>> >>> based on their >>> >>> reporting cycle. >>> For ALC Beijing the reporting cycle is May, August, >>> >>> November, >>> >>> February. >>> >>> >>> 4. Chapter Lead will be the point of contact for the >>> >>> respective >>> >>> ALC >>> >>> Chapter. >>> >>> If you have any queries or questions, please feel free >>> >>> to post on >>> >>> dev list. >>> >>> >>> All the very best team, and thank you for showing your >>> >>> kind >>> >>> interest >>> >>> in this initiative. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Swapnil M Mane, >>> www.apache.org >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:20 AM Swapnil M Mane < >>> >>> swapnilmm...@apache.org> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hello Skylar and Juan, thank you for your interest. >>> Skylar, please refer to my response inline. >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 10:02 AM Skylar Deranick < >>> >>> skysfr...@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Sure I'll do it >>> >>> >>> Just for your information, as mentioned in one of my >>> >>> recent mail >>> >>> [1], >>> >>> Currently, the voting is underway in ComDev PMC to >>> >>> establish ALC >>> >>> Beijing. >>> >>> And it is the mandate of ComDev PMC to establish the >>> >>> new ALCs, >>> >>> so we have to wait until we get the response from the >>> >>> PMC. >>> >>> >>> [1] https://s.apache.org/z8yo7 >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2020, 8:30 PM Juan Pan < >>> >>> panj...@apache.org> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> +1 from me. >>> >>> >>> I am tracking this thread. >>> Hope see ACL Beijing setting up, i believe there >>> >>> are much >>> >>> more active >>> >>> PMCs, committers and contributors in Beijing >>> >>> waiting for >>> >>> this good >>> >>> news. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> >>> Juan Pan (Trista) >>> >>> Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache >>> >>> ShardingSphere(Incubating) >>> >>> E-mail: panj...@apache.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 02/7/2020 13:50，Sheng Wu<wush...@apache.org> >>> >>> wrote： >>> >>> Hi Willem >>> >>> I am interested in helping ALC Beijing. >>> Sorry I didn't respond earlier. >>> >>> +1 from me. >>> >>> I am Apache SkyWalking VP, Incubator PMC, >>> >>> ShardingSphere(incubating) >>> >>> PPMC >>> >>> and mentor of DolphinScheduler(incubating) & >>> >>> ECharts(incubating). >>> >>> ALC Beijing is good news for SkyWalking, >>> >>> ShardingSphere, and >>> >>> DolphinScheduler, which has many initial PMC and >>> >>> active >>> >>> contributors >>> >>> here. >>> >>> >>> Sheng Wu >>> >>> On 2019/12/03 02:50:52, Willem Jiang < >>> >>> ningji...@apache.org> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm Apache member and there are bunch of Apache >>> >>> project >>> >>> developers in >>> >>> Beijing I know. ALC just give us a very good >>> >>> excuse to hand >>> >>> out and >>> >>> hold meetup together. >>> >>> Regards， >>> >>> Willem >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>> >>> dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >>> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>> >>> dev-h...@community.apache.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>> >>> dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >>> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>> >>> dev-h...@community.apache.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>> >>> dev-h...@community.apache.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 独立之思想，自由之精神。 >>> --陈寅恪 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 独立之思想，自由之精神。 >>> --陈寅恪 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ----------------------------------- >>> Xiangdong Huang >>> School of Software, Tsinghua University >>> >>> 黄向东 >>> 清华大学 软件学院 >>> >>> >>> >>>
