Do we need a precondition about base on Beijing for Members (or Full Members)?
------------------ Liang Zhang (John) Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月27日周四 上午10:56写道： > > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 10:11 AM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Hadrian >> >> I like this idea. >> >> > At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a member of >> dev@community.a.o. >> This means a committer of community.a.o, right? >> > > I guess it's just like the incubator.a.o, SHOULD be PMC member of > community.a.o. > > >> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >> Twitter, wusheng1108 >> >> >> Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月27日周四 上午4:47写道： >> >>> Hi Juan Pan, >>> >>> Best is to keep things simple. My suggestion would be to have 3 roles: >>> >>> 1. Associate Members = anybody interested, low barrier to entry >>> 2. Members (or Full Members) = members who are also committers to any >>> ASF project >>> 3. Steering Committee = elected from Full Members with an >>> administrative/organizational role (similar to a PMC); size up to you >>> >>> Associate Members would become Full Members simply by getting the Vote >>> of an ASF community/project, not special procedure would be necessary >>> inside the ALC. At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a >>> member of dev@community.a.o. You could consider removing Associate >>> Members who were inactive for a significant time, say 2 years. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Hadrian >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:19 PM Juan Pan <panj...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> After reading the thread, two of questions came to my mind, i.e. What >>>> is the Responsibility of ALC member? How to become a ALC member? >>>> Moreover, i guess other ALCs will have the same questions as well. >>>> >>>> From the ALC doc[1], we can learn that the responsibilities of ALC are >>>> mostly related to Apache way, so if the responsibilities of a member is to >>>> help do those things, >>>> that means a member at least has a basic understanding of Apache or did >>>> some contributions? >>>> Secondly, if many of people who may has no understanding of Apache, or >>>> just want to be a member (for interest?), is it ok to include him as a >>>> member? Is there any condition or bar? >>>> >>>> IMO, we may consider nomination and vote for a member. Our upcoming >>>> online meet up is a good chance to discuss. >>>> >>>> See you then. >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Apache+Local+Community+-+ALC#ApacheLocalCommunity-ALC-ALCRolesandResponsibilities >>>> >>>> *Juan Pan (Trista) * >>>> >>>> Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) >>>> E-mail: panj...@apache.org >>>> >>>> >>>> On 02/26/2020 09:53，Sheng Wu<wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> >>>> <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> wrote： >>>> >>>> Hi Hadrian >>>> >>>> So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in >>>> >>>> agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. >>>> >>>> Yes, we are. We could discuss this more on Thur. online meeting. >>>> >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108 >>>> >>>> >>>> Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月26日周三 上午12:27写道： >>>> >>>> Most of the disagreements on the ASF lists can be traced back to a >>>> communication issue. I think I understand what Willem proposed and I >>>> agree >>>> on the low bar aspect, but I think the way the term bar is used may >>>> create >>>> unnecessary misunderstandings. >>>> >>>> This being an ASF local community, it must be guided by ASF standards >>>> (let's not call them rules). This is in the interest of advancing the >>>> ASF >>>> values we believe in and proved successful for over 2 decades. From this >>>> point of view the people who are organizing the community must know what >>>> they're are doing, Sheng Wu you are correct. There should be a way in >>>> which >>>> the organizers (or members or whatever word we choose to describe that >>>> PMC >>>> member like role) communicate with each other, build consensus and >>>> execute. >>>> If necessary, they are smart and experienced enough to ask for advice >>>> from >>>> an ASF officer or the board, whatever the case may be. >>>> >>>> On the other side, thinking about the intent behind the ACL Beijing, it >>>> is >>>> not intended (I assume) as a private club, but a way to promote open >>>> source >>>> and the ASF. From this point of view the community should be inclusive, >>>> there should be a low bar to entry, there should be good and active >>>> mentoring of new individuals (whatever we call them if not members) and >>>> they should be encouraged, helped, guided, mentored to be successful >>>> with >>>> open source, ASF projects and the ASF way in particular. Interested and >>>> talented individuals will get the karma in ASF projects and will go as >>>> far >>>> as they want, and will get a better understanding of what the ASF is >>>> about. >>>> The 'status' in the ACL Beijing will come from their contributions to >>>> open >>>> source projects, not the fact that they 'joined the club'. And to be >>>> clear, >>>> contributions don't mean just code contributions. >>>> >>>> IMHO, it matters less if those who join are called members of the ALC, >>>> what matters is what they do and how they are helped to become >>>> successful >>>> and how they help others to become successful. Actually the term member >>>> is >>>> a bit overloaded at the ASF as well. I remember many cases when newly >>>> voted >>>> PMC members thought they are members of the foundation, and it took a >>>> bit >>>> for them to understand the difference. >>>> >>>> So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in >>>> agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. >>>> >>>> Best of luck, >>>> Hadrian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 8:04 AM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Willem >>>> >>>> I am pretty sure this should not be having a bar like a project official >>>> committer. But no bar? I don't think this is a reasonable idea. >>>> As ALC we will use the Apache branding and Apache ALC branding, I prefer >>>> there should be some guides, otherwise, how should we protect it? >>>> >>>> And more, how should we make sure, the member could talk about the >>>> culture of Apache basically correct(I wouldn 't say accurate, but at >>>> least, >>>> not misguide)? -- This question is suitable for JianSheng too. >>>> How about the next one asking joining the ALC, what should we do? If he >>>> is also not an Apache committer/PMC/member again >>>> >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108 >>>> >>>> >>>> Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月25日周二 下午5:18写道： >>>> >>>> I don't think we need to setup a bar on the people who want to join the >>>> ALC. >>>> As we are short of hand to advocate the Apache way in China. I think >>>> JianSheng can provide a great help for us. >>>> ALC is not a Apache project, current we don't have the PMC or >>>> Committers, but I think community PMC can give us some guide and >>>> advices for it. >>>> Current the member of ALC Beijing are the active committers of Apache >>>> or other people who interesting about it. We may need to discuss a >>>> way how to introduce new blood in a meritocracy way. >>>> The main purpose of ALC is building a local community around ASF >>>> projects, helping Apache projects cooperate with each other, and let >>>> Chinese community to know better about Apache Software Foundation. >>>> For the content we provide for the local audience should follow the >>>> Apache Way and for the logo and branding related issues we also need >>>> the approve from Apache Branding officer. >>>> >>>> Willem Jiang >>>> >>>> Twitter: willemjiang >>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:45 PM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Willem >>>> >>>> Is there any invitation rule(guide) about adding a new member? >>>> What is different between a member and not a member? >>>> >>>> To be clear, I am not objecting, I just don't get the context. >>>> In all other TLP project, member sometimes means a committer of ASF or >>>> >>>> that project. Which is the bar(s) of an ALC member? Or even is there a >>>> bar >>>> for this? >>>> >>>> The deep reason I asked about this, is from my understanding the ALC >>>> >>>> member needs to follow the Apache way, keep the branding used in the >>>> right >>>> way, and so on. >>>> >>>> >>>> To Jian Sheng >>>> Please don't feel I am not welcoming you to join or unfriendly. >>>> >>>> Really, I am not stopping you. I know the contributions you made for the >>>> Apache/Apache Way/Open source. >>>> >>>> I just want this community organized in the right and recommended way. >>>> >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108 >>>> >>>> >>>> Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月25日周二 下午4:38写道： >>>> >>>> >>>> FYI, I just updated the wiki page[1] and added JianSheng into the >>>> >>>> member list. >>>> >>>> Please let me know if you have any questions about it. >>>> >>>> BTW, please add your picture into the page if you have time :) >>>> >>>> [1]https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Beijing >>>> >>>> >>>> Willem Jiang >>>> >>>> Twitter: willemjiang >>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 2:20 PM Xiangdong Huang <saint...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> +1. >>>> Jianshen is very active for popularizing open source. >>>> >>>> jincheng sun <sunjincheng...@gmail.com>于2020年2月25日 周二下午12:30写道： >>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for your proposal Willem. I think we really need people who with >>>> experience in Chinese communities to join us！ >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Jincheng >>>> >>>> >>>> 适兕 <lijiangshe...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月23日周日 上午11:42写道： >>>> >>>> Thanks Willem, >>>> It's honor , be happy to do something for ALC Beijing. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:23 AM Willem Jiang < >>>> >>>> willem.ji...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I'd like to introduce Jianshen Li, he is the founder of a >>>> >>>> Chinese blog >>>> >>>> which introduce Open Source Way for nearly 3 years. >>>> Even he is not a Apache Committer, he translate bunch of ASF >>>> >>>> related >>>> >>>> articles [1][2][3][4]into Chinese, I think it helps lot for >>>> >>>> promote >>>> >>>> ASF in Chinese community. >>>> Now I'm working closely with JIanshen to write more articles >>>> >>>> for the >>>> >>>> newbie who want to join the Open Source in China. >>>> I'd like to invite him as a member of ALC Beijing. >>>> >>>> Any throught？ >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> >>>> >>>> http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/asf-founders-look-back-on-20-years/ >>>> >>>> [2] >>>> >>>> >>>> http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/the_apache_way_to_sustainable_os/ >>>> >>>> [3] >>>> >>>> >>>> http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/five-year-strategic-plan-for-the-asf-2018/ >>>> >>>> [4] >>>> >>>> >>>> http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/how_apache_works/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Willem Jiang >>>> >>>> Twitter: willemjiang >>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 9:57 AM 适兕 <lijiangshe...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, Swapnil and Willem , >>>> >>>> I am very interested helping for ALC BeiJing, >>>> >>>> + 1 from me. >>>> >>>> As open source advocate , I am the founder of >>>> >>>> opensourceway.community >>>> >>>> , Dedicated to the exploration of ideas, knowledge and values >>>> >>>> related to >>>> >>>> open source. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 8:04 PM Swapnil M Mane < >>>> >>>> swapnilmm...@apache.org> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Done Xiangdong, please check. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Swapnil M Mane, >>>> www.apache.org >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 5:14 PM Xiangdong Huang < >>>> >>>> saint...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Swapnil, >>>> >>>> I'd like to apply for the edit rights for the confluence. >>>> My Confluence id is hxd. >>>> >>>> Many thanks. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> ----------------------------------- >>>> Xiangdong Huang >>>> School of Software, Tsinghua University >>>> >>>> 黄向东 >>>> 清华大学 软件学院 >>>> >>>> >>>> Swapnil M Mane <swapnilmm...@apache.org> 于2020年2月18日周二 >>>> >>>> 下午6:59写道： >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello ALC Beijing team, >>>> >>>> Hope you are doing well, it gives immense pleasure to us >>>> >>>> to update >>>> >>>> you >>>> >>>> that the vote is passed by ComDev PMC to establish ALC >>>> >>>> Beijing >>>> >>>> Chapter >>>> >>>> and Willem Jiang as ALC Beijing Chapter lead. >>>> >>>> Here are the placeholder pages created in ComDev space >>>> https://s.apache.org/alc-beijing >>>> https://s.apache.org/alc-beijing-events >>>> https://s.apache.org/alc-beijing-reports >>>> >>>> I have given edit rights on Confluence for ComDev wiki >>>> >>>> to following >>>> >>>> members (since I found their confluence IDs) >>>> -- Willem Jiang >>>> -- Jeff Zhang >>>> -- Liang Zhang >>>> -- Jincheng Sun >>>> -- Sheng Wu >>>> -- Juan Pan >>>> >>>> Rest members, please feel free to mail on the dev list >>>> >>>> to request >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> edit rights with your confluence ID. >>>> >>>> We would also like to connect you with Aditya Sharma. >>>> Aditya is a very active member of ALC Indore Chapter and >>>> >>>> will be >>>> >>>> with >>>> >>>> you for an initial few months to support and assist you >>>> >>>> so that you >>>> >>>> will be familiar with the processes followed by ALC >>>> >>>> Chapter for its >>>> >>>> execution ( https://s.apache.org/d4anc ). >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Willem and team, >>>> We have the following roles and responsibilities as ALC >>>> >>>> Chapter and >>>> >>>> ALC Chapter lead: >>>> [Online version of this is available at >>>> https://s.apache.org/ALC-Chapter-Lead-RR ] >>>> >>>> 1. Making sure the 'ALC Code of Conduct ( >>>> https://s.apache.org/alc-code-of-conduct )' is followed >>>> >>>> by the ALC >>>> >>>> Chapter. >>>> >>>> 2. All the events organized by the ALC Chapter are >>>> >>>> following the >>>> >>>> Guidelines to organize ALC Event ( >>>> >>>> s.apache.org/alc-guidelines ). >>>> >>>> >>>> 3. Chapter lead will submit the status report ( >>>> https://s.apache.org/alc-reports ) to ComDev ( >>>> dev@community.apache.org ) in every *three months* >>>> >>>> based on their >>>> >>>> reporting cycle. >>>> For ALC Beijing the reporting cycle is May, August, >>>> >>>> November, >>>> >>>> February. >>>> >>>> >>>> 4. Chapter Lead will be the point of contact for the >>>> >>>> respective >>>> >>>> ALC >>>> >>>> Chapter. >>>> >>>> If you have any queries or questions, please feel free >>>> >>>> to post on >>>> >>>> dev list. >>>> >>>> >>>> All the very best team, and thank you for showing your >>>> >>>> kind >>>> >>>> interest >>>> >>>> in this initiative. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Swapnil M Mane, >>>> www.apache.org >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:20 AM Swapnil M Mane < >>>> >>>> swapnilmm...@apache.org> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Skylar and Juan, thank you for your interest. >>>> Skylar, please refer to my response inline. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 10:02 AM Skylar Deranick < >>>> >>>> skysfr...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Sure I'll do it >>>> >>>> >>>> Just for your information, as mentioned in one of my >>>> >>>> recent mail >>>> >>>> [1], >>>> >>>> Currently, the voting is underway in ComDev PMC to >>>> >>>> establish ALC >>>> >>>> Beijing. >>>> >>>> And it is the mandate of ComDev PMC to establish the >>>> >>>> new ALCs, >>>> >>>> so we have to wait until we get the response from the >>>> >>>> PMC. >>>> >>>> >>>> [1] https://s.apache.org/z8yo7 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2020, 8:30 PM Juan Pan < >>>> >>>> panj...@apache.org> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> +1 from me. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am tracking this thread. >>>> Hope see ACL Beijing setting up, i believe there >>>> >>>> are much >>>> >>>> more active >>>> >>>> PMCs, committers and contributors in Beijing >>>> >>>> waiting for >>>> >>>> this good >>>> >>>> news. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best wishes >>>> >>>> >>>> Juan Pan (Trista) >>>> >>>> Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache >>>> >>>> ShardingSphere(Incubating) >>>> >>>> E-mail: panj...@apache.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 02/7/2020 13:50，Sheng Wu<wush...@apache.org> >>>> >>>> wrote： >>>> >>>> Hi Willem >>>> >>>> I am interested in helping ALC Beijing. >>>> Sorry I didn't respond earlier. >>>> >>>> +1 from me. >>>> >>>> I am Apache SkyWalking VP, Incubator PMC, >>>> >>>> ShardingSphere(incubating) >>>> >>>> PPMC >>>> >>>> and mentor of DolphinScheduler(incubating) & >>>> >>>> ECharts(incubating). >>>> >>>> ALC Beijing is good news for SkyWalking, >>>> >>>> ShardingSphere, and >>>> >>>> DolphinScheduler, which has many initial PMC and >>>> >>>> active >>>> >>>> contributors >>>> >>>> here. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sheng Wu >>>> >>>> On 2019/12/03 02:50:52, Willem Jiang < >>>> >>>> ningji...@apache.org> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I'm Apache member and there are bunch of Apache >>>> >>>> project >>>> >>>> developers in >>>> >>>> Beijing I know. ALC just give us a very good >>>> >>>> excuse to hand >>>> >>>> out and >>>> >>>> hold meetup together. >>>> >>>> Regards， >>>> >>>> Willem >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>> >>>> dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >>>> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>> >>>> dev-h...@community.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>> >>>> dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >>>> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>> >>>> dev-h...@community.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>> >>>> dev-h...@community.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> 独立之思想，自由之精神。 >>>> --陈寅恪 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> 独立之思想，自由之精神。 >>>> --陈寅恪 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ----------------------------------- >>>> Xiangdong Huang >>>> School of Software, Tsinghua University >>>> >>>> 黄向东 >>>> 清华大学 软件学院 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
