Niclas, I never presented an argument in favor of *using* a veto. I presented an argument in favor of *having* a veto to potentially use.
The possibility of a veto encourages consensus building before the decision is recorded. I personally think that vetoes should almost never happen because any veto-worthy issue is brought out and resolved in discussion ahead of time. On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Niclas Hedhman <hedh...@gmail.com> wrote: > But Ted, how does the minority regain the "minority's voice heard" simply > by veto of new members? If they place unreasonable vetoes and hope that > over time the majority will "evaporate" seems unproductive as well. > > Vetoes can become very contentious, and I don't really buy the arguments > presented in favor of using it. To me a negative use is a BDFL-type > leader/founder preventing active contributors from getting a say in a > project. > > The raised problem of community disharmony is not served with vetoes, > AFAICT. > > > > On Apr 4, 2017 14:06, "Ted Dunning" <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I hear it as the voice of (occasionally bitter) experience. > > It could easily be my own voice as well. I have found in my own limited > experience that communities who pay attention to minority voices to be far > better at producing real consensus. I have also found that people with a > majority-rules opinion often change their opinion to minority-must-be-heard > when they are no longer in the majority. That matches what Joe said pretty > closely. > > His phrasing might not be what I would use, but his experience seems to > match mine quite closely. > > I also really don't see how a valid statement of long experience is FUD. I > certainly see a healthy dose of FUD in my day job from competitors and > Joe's statement is pretty different. > > > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:36 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > That borders on FUD. > > > > Op di 4 apr. 2017 om 05:03 schreef Joseph Schaefer > > <joe_schae...@yahoo.com.invalid> > > > > > Trust me niclas, you would be singing a very different tune if you > > > believed something like that were happening in a project you were > working > > > on and you were a member of the minority powerless to put a halt to it. > > > > >
