On Mar 3, 2014, at 5:34 AM, Devdeep Singh <devdeep.si...@citrix.com> wrote:

> I was looking into adding support for iSCSI (CLOUDSTACK-6109) and HA of guest 
> vms (CLOUDSTACK-6144) for hyper-v. I don’t think I’ll be able to finish it by 
> 14th.
>  

then it looks like you will have plenty of time to make these rock solid and 
well documented features for 4.5

> Regards,
> Devdeep
>  
>  
> From: Trippie [mailto:trip...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Hugo Trippaers
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 7:40 PM
> To: <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: 4.4 Feature Freeze
>  
> i’m all for being flexible, but i find a lot of the arguments used here 
> debatable.
>  
> “It causes developers to rush their development to meet the deadline." This 
> will happen anyway, every time we’ve extended the deadline we got new 
> features coming in at the last minute. Actually i’m under the impression that 
> when we move the deadline people will actually try to get more features in 
> instead of working on stabilizing existing features.
>  
> “We can’t deliver features on the roadmap.” There is validity to this point, 
> but on the other hand we already know the entire release schedule way ahead, 
> this feature freeze date should not come as a surprise. But as i mentioned in 
> an earlier mail, lets have this discussion. Post which features might not 
> make it into the release so we can have a discussion if we should slip the 
> release date to get this feature in. I think we all now that there are 
> commercial parties working with this software to build releases and have 
> customers demanding features, but if we don’t discuss that on list it’s hard 
> for us to take it into account.
>  
> “Feature freeze wasn’t called” True, i wasn’t even aware that this was a 
> requirement. We should add this to the procedure here 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Releases so release 
> managers know this is expected of them. It should not impact the dates as the 
> dates are already fixed by the release schedule (every 4 months)
>  
>  
> I’m still -1 on extending the feature freeze. I would rather extend the 
> test/stability phase to we have some more time to fix issues before we get 
> into the RC spinning. 
>  
>  
> This is the list of current features targeted for 4.4 according to our Jira. 
> Which features would be impacted if we don’t move the feature freeze?
>  
> ASF JIRA
> Project: CloudStack
> Type: New Feature
> Fix Version: 4.4.0
> Resolution: Unresolved
> Sorted by: Updated descending
> 1–15 of 15 as at: 28/Feb/14 15:07
> T        Key     Summary         Assignee          Reporter          P        
>   Status  Resolution      Created          Updated          Due
>       CLOUDSTACK-6181           
> Root resize
> Unassigned    Nux              Open          Unresolved      27/Feb/14        
> 27/Feb/14         
>       CLOUDSTACK-6161           
> distributed routing and network ACL with OVS plug-in
> Murali Reddy            Murali Reddy           Open          Unresolved      
> 24/Feb/14       24/Feb/14         
>       CLOUDSTACK-6092           
> Storage OverProvisioning as a Per Primary Basis
> Saksham Srivastava   Saksham Srivastava             Open          Unresolved  
>     13/Feb/14       20/Feb/14           
>       CLOUDSTACK-6144           
> HA for guest VMs running Hyper-V
> Unassigned    Rajesh Battala          Open          Unresolved      20/Feb/14 
>        20/Feb/14         
>       CLOUDSTACK-6143           
> Storage Live-Migration support for Hyper-V
> Unassigned    Rajesh Battala          Open          Unresolved      20/Feb/14 
>        20/Feb/14         
>       CLOUDSTACK-6142           
> Zone Wide Primary Store in Hyper-V
> Unassigned    Rajesh Battala          Open          Unresolved      20/Feb/14 
>        20/Feb/14         
>       CLOUDSTACK-6104           
> PVLAN support for CloudStack deployment over Nexus 1000v in VMware environment
> Sateesh Chodapuneedi          Sateesh Chodapuneedi                    Open    
>       Unresolved     14/Feb/14          15/Feb/14         
>       CLOUDSTACK-6109           
> Support of iSCSI as primary store in Hyper-V
> Rajesh Battala           Rajesh Battala          Open          Unresolved     
>  14/Feb/14       14/Feb/14         
>       CLOUDSTACK-6106           
> Support of VPC in HyperV
> Rajesh Battala           Rajesh Battala          Open          Unresolved     
>  14/Feb/14       14/Feb/14         
>       CLOUDSTACK-6090           
> Virtual Router Service Failure Alerting
> Harikrishna Patnala   Harikrishna Patnala              Open          
> Unresolved      13/Feb/14       13/Feb/14           
>       CLOUDSTACK-6052           
> List VM enhancement to support querying with multiple VM IDs
> Koushik Das  Koushik Das            Open          Unresolved      07/Feb/14   
>      07/Feb/14         
>       CLOUDSTACK-5569           
> enhance OVS plug-in to support region level VPC and guest networks that span 
> zones
> Murali Reddy            Murali Reddy           Open          Unresolved      
> 19/Dec/13       19/Dec/13         
>       CLOUDSTACK-5568           
> introduce notion of guest network that spans multiple zones
> Murali Reddy            Murali Reddy           Open          Unresolved      
> 19/Dec/13       19/Dec/13         
>       CLOUDSTACK-5567           
> enable VPC at region level
> Murali Reddy            Murali Reddy           Open          Unresolved      
> 19/Dec/13       19/Dec/13         
>       CLOUDSTACK-5398           
> Cloudstack network-element plugin to orchestrate Juniper's switches
> Unassigned    Pradeep H Krishnamurthy               Open          Unresolved  
>     06/Dec/13       06/Dec/13           
>  
>  
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Hugo
> 
> On 28 feb. 2014, at 10:17, Prasanna Santhanam <t...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 07:26:10AM +0000, Ram Ganesh wrote:
> 
> Yes. I can only agree with you on this.  When we come up with dates
> we have to be cognizant about slips in prior releases (we had 6 RC
> re-spins and counting....) which would have had impact which is the
> case now.  We have to be bit flexible with our dates. 
> 
> 
> But you do agree that the re-spins uncovered bugs/issues that needed
> to be fixed? Is it perhaps a mismatch in when the artifacts start
> getting tested by the users+devs as opposed to when company-x might be
> satisfied with their testing? More than 90% of the re-spins are
> bugs/issues uncovered by users who needed RC candidates and weren't
> testing artifacts on a daily basis (I could be wrong here). I don't
> think someone with a large test engineering team would wait for the
> RCs to get rolling. May be if we addressed that mismatch in timing we
> could have smaller RC phases. Something like a soft-freeze and a
> hard-freeze.  
> 
> post soft-freeze : users+devs do a daily test (mostly manually for
> features they care about)
> post hard-freeze : everyone only looks at a daily automated test
> report and if all looks good, we release?
> 
> -- 
> Prasanna.,
> 
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