Thanks, Joerg and Ian, for summing it up in this subthread and arriving at the mail I am quoting. I think that, if we are to vote on this topic, both sides to this disagreement should be made clear and explicit. The call for votes should include, or at least prominently link to, where the disagreement lies. Seeing this as an example of (failed) collaboration between two teams with differing goals, with both not willing to compromise in their position, makes it much clearer to those of us who have only watched at (quite) a distance.
Ian Jackson dijo [Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:56:11AM +0100]: > > Which behind the scenes? To who did you talk? > > Firstly, I want to ask: would it have made any difference if we had > raised the matter in public again on -devel? > > Based on your replies here, it seems that ftpmaster's objections are > still just as firm now as they have been over the past four years. > We wouldn't want to keep asking the same question on a list like > -devel, when we are pretty sure the answer will just be the same; that > would be rude to both ftpmaster and the rest of Debian. > > Anyway, if we're going down this route: > > I think we didn't speak to ftpmaster directly about this since 2019. > > I don't want to name names in case this turns into a finger-pointing > exercise, but, over the years, we have spoken to various people, with > varying levels of formality: > > * We made fairly formal appeals to two sitting DPLs. What we got > was, basically, attempts at mediation, or facilitation of > discussions. We didn't see that as helpful, since we saw an > irreconcilable gap between our position and ftpmaster's. > > Sean and I were under the impression that the most recent response > we got from a sittinug DPL was sent to us after consulting with > ftpmaster. > > * We have asked for help from two sitting members of the TC, and one > former DPL. I don't think any of those people would have spoken to > ftpmaster, but neither did they suggest that we should raise the > matter on -devel again. > > One outcome of that was encouragement to give the talk I did at the > 2023 Cambridge minidebconf. I explicitly stated that the project > was blocked by ftpmaster, but of course I don't expect ftpmaster to > have necessarily seen that talk. > > Ian. --
